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Introducing GIFV

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Re: Introducing GIFV

#81

an animated gif is not necessarily a video clip, but it seems that i'm in the minority these days. here's a gif by nicolas sassoon, which format would you prefer? http://i.imgur.com/fv0qgkc.gif (1.3 MB) or http://i.imgur.com/fv0qgkc.gifv (3.9 MB)

Wow, the colors are just gutted in the mp4 version.

Yeap, YV12 colourspace doesn't really like sharp pixel-perfect colours.

Re: Introducing GIFV

#82
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Yes, why are they calling mp4 files gifv files? Is it somehow cooler? Can I start serving .html files as .awesome files? And .js as .kicka$$ files? and .mp3 as .boomin'? GET "index.awesome" at this rate, why not re-write all of html so it's cooler? => => =>

Can I start serving .html files as .awesome files? Sure, go ahead. Extensions in a URL have little to do with the actual type of content, and .html has long been abandoned by dynamic systems, who originally went to extensions being an implementation detail, and on many current systems being a lie (e.g. the .aspx extension that actually runs a PHP page that returns an HTML5 file). They're using a URL extension to sign…

I can't upvote you enough. Too few people realize that the server returned mimetype actually tells the browser how to handle the content.

Re: Introducing GIFV

#83

an animated gif is not necessarily a video clip, but it seems that i'm in the minority these days. here's a gif by nicolas sassoon, which format would you prefer? http://i.imgur.com/fv0qgkc.gif (1.3 MB) or http://i.imgur.com/fv0qgkc.gifv (3.9 MB)

another user brought up a good point in the comments section of the imgur post:

>GIFs being lossless, editable and universally supported are a pretty big part of what spawned this “culture of the GIF”.

Sure, video editing tools exist, but I think most people would agree that GIFs are more "remix-able" than MP4s. It's important that we preserve both formats. (Or perhaps it's time for a modern lossless animation format?)

Re: Introducing GIFV

#84

an animated gif is not necessarily a video clip, but it seems that i'm in the minority these days. here's a gif by nicolas sassoon, which format would you prefer? http://i.imgur.com/fv0qgkc.gif (1.3 MB) or http://i.imgur.com/fv0qgkc.gifv (3.9 MB)

another user brought up a good point in the comments section of the imgur post: >GIFs being lossless, editable and universally supported are a pretty big part of what spawned this “culture of the GIF”. Sure, video editing tools exist, but I think most people would agree that GIFs are more "remix-able" than MP4s. It's important that we preserve both formats. (Or perhaps it's time for a modern lossless animation format…

I think the point is having a proper display option. Most photographers shoot and edit in RAW, but the final product is almost always displayed as a jpg. I don't think this is meant to eliminate gif entirely, just limit it to the areas it belongs, like editing as you pointed out. The only issue I see is that there needs to be an easy option to download the original pre-converted file.

Re: Introducing GIFV

#86

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Browsers should display GIFVs without transport controls (unlike ), and ignore any audio tracks that are included - basically construct a limited MP4 profile and handle it appropriately. It's a useful construct imho.

Why not just have an attribute or two in tag that sets it to be no volume and whether there should be transport controls? That sounds more useful to me and applicable across all video formats.

As a user, before I click a link to a file with a .gifv extension, I know in advance that there won't be any audio. I like that.

Re: Introducing GIFV

#88
To all of you here asking 'why not webm?' consider this -- gfycat serves both webm and h264, I'm pretty sure imgur will add that in future, so no big deal. As for support, most of you are sitting on Chrome already, so you won't have any troubles playing h264.

Cheers.

Re: Introducing GIFV

#89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Browsers should display GIFVs without transport controls (unlike ), and ignore any audio tracks that are included - basically construct a limited MP4 profile and handle it appropriately. It's a useful construct imho.

Why not just have an attribute or two in tag that sets it to be no volume and whether there should be transport controls? That sounds more useful to me and applicable across all video formats.

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