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Looking Beyond San Francisco

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Re: Looking Beyond San Francisco

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The cities in Southern California all lack viable downtown areas. There are no coffee shops in Santa Monica that I'd enjoy hanging out in. San Diego, which at least has some tall buildings, is a lot worse (I've never smelled such stale, sticky air in a Starbucks before). Los Angeles itself has a skyline, but it's barren, and I've never met anyone that has any reason to go there. I drove there a few months ago at midnight on a Friday just to see what was there, and there was literally no one there. It's almost as if some awful people got together and made it illegal to build what what other great cities offer: a place where you can work, eat, sleep, and relax in a high-density urban environment. (Perhaps that's not a stretch - I haven't looked yet, but I have a hunch that zoning laws and city ordinances either caused this situation, or exacerbated the effects of some very bad choices.)

With a few exceptions (i.e., Pasadena), the greater Los Angeles area is nothing more than a bunch of ugly boxes, crisscrossed by what seems like billions of miles of jammed-up freeways, always under construction. So good luck with whatever you're trying to find out here in SoCal. Hopefully you're not looking for beauty, nice places other than home or the office to get work done during the day, a nightlife, or anything else that a real city has to offer.

Re: Looking Beyond San Francisco

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The cities in Southern California all lack viable downtown areas. There are no coffee shops in Santa Monica that I'd enjoy hanging out in. San Diego, which at least has some tall buildings, is a lot worse (I've never smelled such stale, sticky air in a Starbucks before). Los Angeles itself has a skyline, but it's barren, and I've never met anyone that has any reason to go there. I drove there a few months ago at midn…

I guess you have never been to Venice! Great offices, great food, beaches, way more cute girls, coffee shops (yes, even Blue Bottle and Philz, and tons of independent places). In fact, Abbot Kinney was literally named the coolest street in America by GQ!

Night life is also great. Main Street is fun, it starts in Venice and continues all the way down the beach into Santa Monica. Tons of bars and places to eat.

You're right, downtown sucks. You drove to the wrong place at midnight. That's why there are no impressive startups there and no one lives there. Traffic also sucks there in general, so you don't work downtown. I don't have to take any freeways to get around and actually spent more time in traffic in SF (driving from Palo Alto). It's in no shape or form a dense city, but there are more things to see as a result.

Pasadena is one of the worst areas in LA, if you ask me. It's hot, nowhere near the beach, and boring. So I'm not surprised you don't like LA if you think that's the best spot!