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There Is No Maker Movement in China

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Re: There Is No Maker Movement in China

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Great essay. Making is a movement in America, because it isn't a necessity. In China, repairing things instead of throwing them away is the norm. So there are large numbers of Makers in every town, who honed their skills in electronics repair.

When robots bring down the cost of new goods to the point where it no longer makes sense to repair things--because they are so cheap to replace--China will lose its Makers just as America did.

And then they'll have a Maker movement.

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#12
There is a downside to hacking-as-livelihood. Many workers are overworked. They hack for a living, but seldom have time to hack for fun. This is especially true among software developers. There are far fewer activities organized around programming than in the West. Occasionally there are weekend hackathons, but few professional programmers have the heart to participate. They are looking to spend time with family or enjoy a few hours outdoors on the rare weekends when they don't have to work.

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post #12

There is a downside to hacking-as-livelihood. Many workers are overworked. They hack for a living, but seldom have time to hack for fun. This is especially true among software developers. There are far fewer activities organized around programming than in the West. Occasionally there are weekend hackathons, but few professional programmers have the heart to participate. They are looking to spend time with family or e…

Its not that bad here. Saturdays aren't work days anymore for most professionals like they were in the 90s.

Re: There Is No Maker Movement in China

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There's a lot of insight here, but I question whether "Maker excitement" vs. "non-excitement of traditional crafts" should be attributed to gender. The way I see it there are plenty of crafts like woodworking that are less "gendered" than jewelry-making and knitting but still wouldn't gather any interest with a Make magazine readership.

The overall point though, that electronics were in particular made obscure at some point in the 80s or 90s, seems pretty spot on.

Re: There Is No Maker Movement in China

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I strongly disagree with this post and the author's opinions on Chinese culture. He's missing something really big that's a core of Chinese culture.

> the "We here in the Maker movement could not be more pleased with ourselves" vibe.

This is another of way of saying that we enjoy making here beyond earning a living. Yes it's work, but it's also recreation and art. In places like SV and NY, people make because mainly it's fun.

Over there, 'making' is not really something you enjoy; it's a means to an end. It's something you have to do to make money or save money, which in turn provides for your family and increases your reputation the more money you accumulate. The key point is that there's no love for a trade because nothing else really matters aside from family including your personal hobbies. Therefore on a whole there's no 'maker culture'. If something doesn't make you money for your family, there's no point. There's no doing something just because it's cool and not practical. It must be practical. (This imo is another reason why Chinese open source is anemic.) Add to this the repression of free expression and the work and school hours that are the longer than here, and what you get is a focus more on making copies and knockoffs of name brands (something safe) instead of something truly Chinese like say this:

http://www.atlasobscura.com/places/robots-of-wu-yulu The main reason I've always remembered this man is because he's one of the few Chinese people in China (that I'm aware of) who actually enjoys making for the sake of making, and not just as a livelihood. You can see the pride in his work.

In general their dreams aren't to change the world with something cool. It's to make enough money to send their family off to the US or Canada, where the water and air are cleaner...

I can go on and on with this subject. Yes maybe things are slowly changing in small pockets of places like Shanghai where there's a lot of Western expats, but on a whole what I've described is accurate.

Re: There Is No Maker Movement in China

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I strongly disagree with this post and the author's opinions on Chinese culture. He's missing something really big that's a core of Chinese culture. > the "We here in the Maker movement could not be more pleased with ourselves" vibe. This is another of way of saying that we enjoy making here beyond earning a living. Yes it's work, but it's also recreation and art. In places like SV and NY, people make because mainly…

That link is great. And please do expand on this! I'd love to read more about this topic. It would make an interesting contemporary counterpart to Kenneth Pomeranz's "The Great Divergence," where he explores why an Industrial Revolution almost (bit didn't quite) took place in the Yangzi Valley as well as the late 18th c. English Midlands. It's an interesting read, even if some of it has been contested: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/6823.html
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