Here is a suggestion, tell them to state their intentions or go away. Once they state their intentions tell them they have to sign a Memorandum of Understanding about what you're going to talk about and if they walk away it will cost them $X million (pick a number that would be able to resolve your debts and pay off any investors with a slight return). What ever you do, do NOT be lured into thinking they are thinking…
Ask HN: Big company approached our stealth startup – what to do?
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#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
Excellent advice. We lost a lot of time "working with" a large company, including building a detailed demo using part of their platform – and it ended up coming to nothing.
Right, I get that, but at the same time how can we expect them to buy something or commit cold hard cash when they are pretty much in the dark?
For a motivated big company, cold hard cash isn't as hard to come by as you might think.
As for now, the only thing I can do is echo how absolutely crucial it is for you to have a knowledgable lawyer on your side RIGHT NOW. Get several on the phone today, and make a decision as soon as you can. If you're in the Dallas/Fort Worth area, I can make a recommendation but please, please do this.
Re: Ask HN: Big company approached our stealth startup – what to do?
#43You need to find someone (or some people) who have been in a similar situation before and had a successful outcome. If you don't know anyone like this then ask for an introduction to someone you don't know. It's a small world. If you work at it you get get to someone knowledgeable.
Then you need to give them much more detail than you gave in this post because the specifics are going to matter a lot. It's perfectly understandable that you didn't want to get into the weeds with a public post but without the details it is literally impossible to give quality advice.
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#44Re: Ask HN: Big company approached our stealth startup – what to do?
#45Here is a suggestion, tell them to state their intentions or go away. Once they state their intentions tell them they have to sign a Memorandum of Understanding about what you're going to talk about and if they walk away it will cost them $X million (pick a number that would be able to resolve your debts and pay off any investors with a slight return). What ever you do, do NOT be lured into thinking they are thinking…
Yup. Had a similar story here, but didn't have that in place. Very educational and made some good contacts though. In the end there was not a deal we could live with, so we ended up with no deal. But also with 6 months of almost 100% delay for us. Total loss of focus.
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#47There's some good advice here, but so far no one has said the most important thing, which is to clarify for yourselves what your other best option is. (In MBA jargon, your "BATNA" -- Best Alternative to a Negotiated Agreement). This is not just theory, it's dealmaking 101. You simply have no leverage to get what you want (fast closure, price, etc) unless you have an external forcing function you can credibly threaten…
And OF COURSE Lawyer up, with a good startup lawyer.
Another tip. If there's money on the table TAKE IT. $BIGCORP wants to buy it for $SUM which will leave you with 6 or even maybe 7 digits in your pocket? Evaluate the deal with your lawyer, then sign on the line.
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#48Most of the "force them to do an NDA/MOU/make intentions clear" comments seem unlikely to work. Those comments assume that BigCo knows its intentions. Big Companies take a long time to reach decisions, so you have to give them time. Big companies have a lot of steps to reach internal consensus, and sometimes might take weeks just to get the right people in a room to make a decision, so trying to speed up their process could be like a "marry me or break-up" ultimatum too early in a relationship-- unlikely to result in what either party wants. The legitimate exception to that is if you're taking a big funding round or have external interest from another company. Overplaying that usually backfires though. The best approach is to share what you're willing to and stay engaged while limiting the amount of time the big company can take from your team. If they're taking forever to get to a decision, don't rush to have meetings: that limits your disruption while giving them more time to get to a decision. Don't hold up your roadmap unless they're committing to something or can give you a deadline of when they can commit.
Also, big companies typically won't use any NDA other than their own or sign a Memorandum of Understanding until well past the "seeing if there's room to do something together" stage.
Being too paranoid can make you seem like you're hiding something or just unpleasant to deal with and could kill a deal, but some paranoia is worthwhile. The key is being paranoid about the right things.
You should obviously talk to a lawyer to understand the protection the existing NDA gives you, but there's really no purpose in getting a stronger NDA until they've made up their mind what they're doing (because until then, they won't sign one anyway). Unless you've come up with something dramatically new in your architecture (as in you don't use Map-Reduce because you invented something much better), sharing the architecture can be a good way of building some trust and helping them understand how they might integrate without giving too much away. I don't see a big company doing things like changing their architecture or algorithms because they found a better way to do things-- there's just too much inertia to changing those fundamental things in a product if they're close to market, and they'll be sensitive to IP issues too. You should be more worried about them learning from your knowledge about effective customer/selling tactics or about them sizing you out as competition (which would focus on features instead of technology). You usually wouldn't protect yourself against that much in an NDA, so you need to be smart about sharing enough to impress them without giving them too much.
It's usually a bad idea to let them look at code at all until they have an agreement in place about their intentions (that's when the LOI or MOU comes in). They should be making a big effort to protect their own people from IP pollution at that point. If they're wanting to look at code and don't have formal agreements in place, you should wonder if you're really dealing with the corporate part of the company or just some random product team that isn't going through the process they should (which could innocently be because they don't know what process they should be following).
One good way to judge how serious they are is who you're dealing with. If you're just dealing with engineers or junior PMs, it isn't serious at all. If there are more than 2 levels of PMs involved, then they're probably really considering doing something.
Similarly, you can try to tell what direction they're leaning for the relationship. If the titles of the people leading the discussions are Business Development or Solutions, they're probably leaning towards a commercial arrangement, if there's Corporate Strategy or Corporate Development involved, they might be looking at M&A. Don't draw conclusions about the likelihood of M&A from the Corp Strategy or Corp Dev titles though-- it only tells you that's the direction they're looking at it, not how serious they are.
Rather than trying to force an agreement, you can test how much visibility the effort has by trying to get a meeting with a senior executive (someone who runs a product area or BU) and see if they make it happen.
Re: Ask HN: Big company approached our stealth startup – what to do?
#49Absolutely resist the urge to dazzle them with your technical prowess. THEY WILL STEAL YOUR SHIT. I will not point fingers at any specific companies since I have no interest in being sued, but I have had technologies stolen by 5 different public technology companies. In my case, I even had patents filed. It won't save you because they'll take the customers in the mean time while you're waiting the years for your pate…
No second thoughts after the 4th time?
Re: Ask HN: Big company approached our stealth startup – what to do?
#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
Right, I get that, but at the same time how can we expect them to buy something or commit cold hard cash when they are pretty much in the dark?
That's their decision. You don't have to make it easy for them--especially if they are going to be your competitors. For a motivated big company, cold hard cash isn't as hard to come by as you might think. As for now, the only thing I can do is echo how absolutely crucial it is for you to have a knowledgable lawyer on your side RIGHT NOW. Get several on the phone today, and make a decision as soon as you can. If you'…
Bottom line, make a deal that is a WIN WIN and doesn't put you at huge risk w/o some offset you consider reasonable or don't do a deal at all.
You do not have an easy road ahead, but you can at least avoid a disaster. Remember, your BATNA is continuing your startup as if you'd never been approached!