It needs to be stated that most practitioners of Zen Buddhism, in both the east and the west, consider Alan Watts to be misinformed about Zen. Some might even call him a charlatan. I studied religious history as an undergrad and one conversation specifically comes to mind. I asked my Japanese humanities professor what most eastern Zen practitioners thought of western Zen practitioners. She responded by saying that mo…
Zen Buddhism and Alan Watts
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So how else do I do Zen? (That is a serious question!)
Zen is meditation first school of Buddhism. You must learn to do zazen (zen meditation). In other words, sit down and shut up. If you want to become Buddha, do what Buddha did and don't just listen and think about what he said. I'm myself a Zen Buddhist, I train with a teacher and have spend time zen training in a zen temple and attend sesshins regularly. I'm also very secular and atheist person who don't like organi…
Why should I be doing zen or any other form of meditation?
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#63It needs to be stated that most practitioners of Zen Buddhism, in both the east and the west, consider Alan Watts to be misinformed about Zen. Some might even call him a charlatan. I studied religious history as an undergrad and one conversation specifically comes to mind. I asked my Japanese humanities professor what most eastern Zen practitioners thought of western Zen practitioners. She responded by saying that mo…
If you are going to lay criticism against Watts' understanding of Zen, you should make specific points.
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#64If you're interested in understanding zen but don't know where to start, "The Book" by Alan Watts is a fantastic SHORT read that will give you a powerful framework from which to build your meditative practice, and hopefully structure a happier, more fulfilling lifestyle. To appeal to the western mind, here are some tangible benefits I have achieved(And you can too) through meditation and zen: * More appreciation for…
I would add the free, short, book "Mindfulness in Plain English". It changed my life. Here is the PDF: http://www.urbandharma.org/pdf2/Mindfulness%20in%20Plain%20E...
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#65My way of thinking is highly influenced by Zen. It has made me wiser, less stressed by life, more able to cope with the world, and generally a little happier. For those who don't know, Zen is Buddhist philosophy without the religion. That's my explanation, anyway! Alan Watts' explanations and historical notes on philosophy and religion are, to use an appropriate term, highly enlightening. They're also entertaining an…
Isn't this simply objective analysis of our social structures. Why do I need a strange religion from the east in my quest for truth?
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#66I fairly consistently meditate. I don't spend more than five or ten minutes in any given setting, so you might not consider me a hard core meditator, but I do feel that it's provided me with some positive mental tools. I'm going to focus on the ones that aren't necessarily related to long term average increases in objective health and wellbeing and more on a subjective perception that I have new cognitive strategies to deal with certain situations.
As an example, I used to be pretty anxious about falling asleep, and I think it caused it to be more difficult to fall asleep. Some of the insight meditation practices helped me deal with the anxiety feedback loop. It wasn't something crazy or mystical; I mostly just learned how to effectively stop thinking about something, or at least stop focussing on something. Ordinarily trying to stop thinking about something had led to a nasty loop. I can't sleep, so I get anxious, the anxiety makes it harder to sleep, which makes me more anxious.
The meditation got me more comfortable with just sitting, for one, and secondly it helped me learn to acknowledge a thought, and "let go" of it. Eventually I got to a point where I wouldn't be able to sleep, but whenever a thought that would provoke anxiety popped up, it would just sort of pass by, and I never actually felt the emotional reaction.
Honestly, I don't think I fall asleep any faster (again none of this is quantitative data), but I do find that I just don't care anymore because the anxiety isn't there. It's not the effect I expected when I started meditating, but it's just as, if not more effective.
I continue with it because it's pretty easy to carve out five or ten minutes here and there. I have no idea if it's causing any long term health benefits, nor does it really matter to me. Subjectively I feel more relaxed right after I meditate, but that's about it. Honestly, I'd keep doing it just because it feels nice. I don't do any crazy postures or full lotus, or anything like that; maybe there's something I'm missing out on, but I do plan on continuing the practice as I perform it. I try to keep my reasons for that as subjectively tangible and non religious/spiritual as possible.
Side Note: The book "The Wisdom of Insecurity" is an interesting Alan Watts book. I like Watts work but like anything, I have a tendency to read things looking for what's wrong with what the author is saying. Eventually I learned to more actively look for what's useful instead, which I think is helpful with that kind of book, otherwise I end up in this endless cycle of critique, which is fun but doesn't really get me anywhere. (I'm not saying don't do critical analysis; more just be aware that there can be value in imperfect works)
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#67It needs to be stated that most practitioners of Zen Buddhism, in both the east and the west, consider Alan Watts to be misinformed about Zen. Some might even call him a charlatan. I studied religious history as an undergrad and one conversation specifically comes to mind. I asked my Japanese humanities professor what most eastern Zen practitioners thought of western Zen practitioners. She responded by saying that mo…
Citation needed please.
Watts certainly has his flaws, one of which was that he simply wrote and spoke so much that I think some of the material suffers and becomes repetitive. He always took more of a wide view of religions (east and west) than just focusing narrowly on zen. Watts wrote about Taoism, Christianity, Hinduism, and materialism in addition and often in contrast to Buddhism. I'm not sure even he would lay claim to being an expert on Zen, but when he certainly was responsibly to turning on a lot of westerners to it. Many of those who then went on into deeper study with more "true" Zen teachers (whatever that means).
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I would add the free, short, book "Mindfulness in Plain English". It changed my life. Here is the PDF: http://www.urbandharma.org/pdf2/Mindfulness%20in%20Plain%20E...
What exactly is mindfulness in simple terms? How is different from concentration?
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Practice leads to Zen. Practice isn't Zen. But yeah otherwise i agree.
You will be hard pressed to find a Zen teacher who would deny that practise is Zen. It does certainly not "lead to Zen". E.g. "Enlightenment and Practise are one" (Dogen), "There is no Zen master in great (Sung) China", the frequent warnings against step-ladder Zen, the idea that Zen is not useful and nothing is gained, "there is only the way, beginning, middle and end" etc.
The point is this. You can say that practice is Zen but in that perspective everything is Zen because everything is practice.