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Ebola: The tolling bell

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Re: Ebola: The tolling bell

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“No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. If a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe is the less, as well as if promontory were, as well as if a manor of thy friends or thine own were. Any man’s death diminishes me, for I am involved in mankind; and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.” - John Donne, Meditation XVII, Devotio…

I don't really care about what they are as long as they are a treat to my family, which they can are if they move out of Africa.

I want a good counter argument to this feeling because it is morally wrong but seems logically sound: between terrorist threatening us at home (they just murdered another british aid worker), ugandas death penalty for homosexuality, out of control ebola in Africa (made a lot worse because these people are too uneducated to trust medical staff, but trust their local community witch) I don't see how we can let these people govern themselves any more.

Like I said I don't want to feel this way, so good logical counter arguments are much appreciated.

Re: Ebola: The tolling bell

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post #15

Stopping Ebola now could be one of the single most important decisions the world makes this century. Just imagine what would happen if Ebola emerged in lets say India . It doesn't sound so far fetched now that we have seen a case in America. Exponential growth tends to catch people off-guard. Just like Moore's Law lead to a rapid emergence of the home computer, a deadly disease could reshape the world overnight.

The viral factor of ebola is 1.7, but it is also is the place in the world where there is the least amount of medical staff.

In addition it would be a lot easier to ban plane travel out of Africa than it would be to end the ebola outbreak. Both options would prevent ebola getting into India.

In addition I am not that terrified of India - the kind of people who live about the airline are the kind of people who have access to medical resources. I don't want to live in India, but it is not entirely a third-world country, certainly not for the middle-class and above.

Now if it got into the slums of Calcutta we might a bigger problem.

Re: Ebola: The tolling bell

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"The current Ebola epidemic may well become the worst human disaster in this century. And we are not doing enough about it." Ok, I think anyone here generally understands how dangerous Ebola is and could become if it continues to spread. That being said, already this century: Smoking has killed roughly 60 million people HIV / AIDS has killed 20 to 25 million Malaria has killed eight million Diarrhoea has killed perha…

At what age did people who died from smoking, first get infected? How many years did they live with the infection? Did they have the difficult but still viable option to quit smoking and survive a few more years or even have a full life?

How many people contracted HIV by hugging someone? Or being in the same environment for a prolonged period of time? How many contracted it because of unprotected sex, or perhaps sharing needles? Again, how long did they live with the disease?

How many people did not die from Diarrhoea and Malaria? Do we have medicines for these diseases?

It takes two weeks to die from Ebola from the moment you are infected. You don't have any choice in the matter. It has extremely low survival rates. We have no cure. It infects anyone and everyone. Being infected with Ebola is closer to being the victim of a random shooting than any of the diseases you mentioned.

And finally, in numbers alone, from the original article: "WHO and Centers for Disease Prevention and Control (CDC) both estimate that the number of people infected is doubling roughly every 20 days. This means that in 20 days 6,000 infections would become 12,000 and in 100 days, 6,000 infections would become about 200,000. In 200 days – early April 2015—there would be 6 million infections and in 400 days—roughly Halloween 2015—we would see over 6 billion people infected, nearly as many as the world’s total population."

He does go on to say: "Unsustainable trends will stop; that rate of new infections will slow down.[3] We will not see the world’s whole population infected with, and more than half of us dead of, Ebola before the end of 2015. It is possible that outbreak may end up largely confined to the three current epidemic countries in West Africa. Other parts of the developing world provide some hopeful signs."

So, there is hope. And it may not be as bad as the whole world being infected, but the possibility is much larger than 60, 25, 6 or 15 million. That too in one year, and not in 14.

Re: Ebola: The tolling bell

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have been thinking the same. It seems that America desperately needs an enemy sometimes. If there isn't one available, it kind of makes them up to keep busy. This is a golden opportunity for the USA to bring the world together and fight a real enemy worth defeating and perhaps regain some of it's lost luster. Well I'm hoping anyway.

>USA to bring the world together oh you already did, together AGAINST USA

Actually the US has been amazing in bringing the world together against ISIS: muslim countries fly bombing missions along with the west, France is in, for a moment it even looked like Iran and just possibly Russia would join.

Re: Ebola: The tolling bell

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“No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. If a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe is the less, as well as if promontory were, as well as if a manor of thy friends or thine own were. Any man’s death diminishes me, for I am involved in mankind; and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.” - John Donne, Meditation XVII, Devotio…

What are the odds that I see this quote twice on one day for the first time ever? http://www.reddit.com/r/Showerthoughts/comments/2i418w/every...

I actually want to know the answer to this question.

Mostly because I think the odds are remote, yet it happens more often than is reasonable to predict. Thus, I suppose I believe in a sort of synchronicity. I'm not sure if I realized that before.

Re: Ebola: The tolling bell

#37

“No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. If a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe is the less, as well as if promontory were, as well as if a manor of thy friends or thine own were. Any man’s death diminishes me, for I am involved in mankind; and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.” - John Donne, Meditation XVII, Devotio…

What are the odds that I see this quote twice on one day for the first time ever? http://www.reddit.com/r/Showerthoughts/comments/2i418w/every...

Sounds like the Baader-Meinhof phenomenon.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baader-Meinhof_phenomenon#Fre...

Re: Ebola: The tolling bell

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post #31

“No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. If a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe is the less, as well as if promontory were, as well as if a manor of thy friends or thine own were. Any man’s death diminishes me, for I am involved in mankind; and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.” - John Donne, Meditation XVII, Devotio…

I don't really care about what they are as long as they are a treat to my family, which they can are if they move out of Africa. I want a good counter argument to this feeling because it is morally wrong but seems logically sound: between terrorist threatening us at home (they just murdered another british aid worker), ugandas death penalty for homosexuality, out of control ebola in Africa (made a lot worse because t…

Not letting others govern themselves has largely been the problem. If my country had been fucked around by foreign empires for several hundred years rather than being the one doing the fucking, I'd probably trust my local witch more than outside doctors too.

Also, the distance between the groups you are treating as some sort of homogeneous lump is 4000 miles, or about the same as Washington State to Northern Japan.

Re: Ebola: The tolling bell

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post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are the odds that I see this quote twice on one day for the first time ever? http://www.reddit.com/r/Showerthoughts/comments/2i418w/every...

I actually want to know the answer to this question. Mostly because I think the odds are remote, yet it happens more often than is reasonable to predict. Thus, I suppose I believe in a sort of synchronicity. I'm not sure if I realized that before.

> Mostly because I think the odds are remote, yet it happens more often than is reasonable to predict.

It happens as often as you should be able to predict it. This usually indicates a limited access to relevant data rather than some kind of exotic mechanism.

Re: Ebola: The tolling bell

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post #31

“No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. If a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe is the less, as well as if promontory were, as well as if a manor of thy friends or thine own were. Any man’s death diminishes me, for I am involved in mankind; and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.” - John Donne, Meditation XVII, Devotio…

I don't really care about what they are as long as they are a treat to my family, which they can are if they move out of Africa. I want a good counter argument to this feeling because it is morally wrong but seems logically sound: between terrorist threatening us at home (they just murdered another british aid worker), ugandas death penalty for homosexuality, out of control ebola in Africa (made a lot worse because t…

You feel this way because you think there is a solution to human nature (there isn't) and that your developed country and society have a more admirable morality because their political crimes don't look like blue-collar crimes that directly threaten your safety, they're just white-collar crimes to impoverish, restrain, destabilize and control (at home and abroad.) Often they even work within the legal framework.
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