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As Many as 5K .Com’s Taken Away by Sealed Court Order by Verisign

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Re: As Many as 5K .Com’s Taken Away by Sealed Court Order by Verisign

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Post by ddod »

gergles wrote: post #9

While this is obviously a perversion of justice, I'm not shedding many tears over shady domain landgrabbers losing their 'property'. It's unfortunate (and clearly shouldn't have been filed under seal) but the histrionic comments on anigbrowl's link about how this is going to kill the domain squatting 'business' just make me think "good."

Let's not conflate the implications of this with prejudices against the victims.

If a startup had snagged one of these domains and had built a community or SEO with it, could you imagine that being taken away from them without any sort of due process?

Re: As Many as 5K .Com’s Taken Away by Sealed Court Order by Verisign

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Post by dang »

anigbrowl wrote: post #6

Better to submit the original article, per HN guidelines. There's a lot of useful info in the comments: http://www.thedomains.com/2014/10/02/as-many-as-5k-coms-take...

Thank you. Url changed from http://www.internetcommerce.org/undue-process/.

Re: As Many as 5K .Com’s Taken Away by Sealed Court Order by Verisign

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Post by lotsofmangos »

gergles wrote: post #9

While this is obviously a perversion of justice, I'm not shedding many tears over shady domain landgrabbers losing their 'property'. It's unfortunate (and clearly shouldn't have been filed under seal) but the histrionic comments on anigbrowl's link about how this is going to kill the domain squatting 'business' just make me think "good."

"So, now you give the Devil the benefit of law!"

- "Yes! What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil?"

"Yes, I'd cut down every law in England to do that!"

- "Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned 'round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country is planted thick with laws, from coast to coast, Man's laws, not God's! And if you cut them down, and you're just the man to do it, do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I'd give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety's sake!"

from 'A Man For All Seasons', by Robert Bolt

Re: As Many as 5K .Com’s Taken Away by Sealed Court Order by Verisign

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Post by joelrunyon »

gergles wrote: post #9

While this is obviously a perversion of justice, I'm not shedding many tears over shady domain landgrabbers losing their 'property'. It's unfortunate (and clearly shouldn't have been filed under seal) but the histrionic comments on anigbrowl's link about how this is going to kill the domain squatting 'business' just make me think "good."

Given that we don't even know why they were seized (or how many were seized by each person), it seems like you have an amazing hostility towards domainers in general.

What makes you so mad towards them?

Re: As Many as 5K .Com’s Taken Away by Sealed Court Order by Verisign

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Post by toTheDune »

sidko wrote: post #15

Another incident that tells us we need to move towards something more decentralized. Namecoin is an excellent concept and idea, it's a pity it is not used and supported more widely.

There is a namecoin dev introduction thread filled with their various projects and a few calls to action on /r/namecoin if you're interested.

https://reddit.com/r/namecoin

Re: As Many as 5K .Com’s Taken Away by Sealed Court Order by Verisign

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Post by fleitz »

joelrunyon wrote: post #14
gergles wrote: post #9

While this is obviously a perversion of justice, I'm not shedding many tears over shady domain landgrabbers losing their 'property'. It's unfortunate (and clearly shouldn't have been filed under seal) but the histrionic comments on anigbrowl's link about how this is going to kill the domain squatting 'business' just make me think "good."

Given that we don't even know why they were seized (or how many were seized by each person), it seems like you have an amazing hostility towards domainers in general. What makes you so mad towards them?

All you really need to read is the language, they aren't people they're 'shady domain land grabbers'.

You can tell from the language that the OP knew of an opportunity to buy mispriced assets and/or renew their domain, and having failed to take the opportunity is now upset at others having taken the opportunities they missed.

You know the kind of people that couldn't be bothered to spend $90 for a 10 year registration and now have to pay a few hundred to get a domain back they wasn't worth $10, or clicking the 'auto-renew' button to them.

Re: As Many as 5K .Com’s Taken Away by Sealed Court Order by Verisign

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Post by joelrunyon »

fleitz wrote: post #17
joelrunyon wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given that we don't even know why they were seized (or how many were seized by each person), it seems like you have an amazing hostility towards domainers in general. What makes you so mad towards them?

All you really need to read is the language, they aren't people they're 'shady domain land grabbers'. You can tell from the language that the OP knew of an opportunity to buy mispriced assets and/or renew their domain, and having failed to take the opportunity is now upset at others having taken the opportunities they missed. You know the kind of people that couldn't be bothered to spend $90 for a 10 year registratio…

Given that you have 75 days to renew your domain after it's lapsed renewal - it's not really taking advantage of anyone.

There has to be some mechanism to release unused & unregistered domains back to the market.

And careful - you just dehumanized an entire set of people ("they're not people") because of the work they do. Domainners might be annoying - but they're not gangsters.

Re: As Many as 5K .Com’s Taken Away by Sealed Court Order by Verisign

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Post by fleitz »

sidko wrote: post #15

Another incident that tells us we need to move towards something more decentralized. Namecoin is an excellent concept and idea, it's a pity it is not used and supported more widely.

Why does it tell us that?

The only thing we know is that they were under sealed court order.

Namecoin is not a magical solution to every problem with domain registration, and it barely scratches the surface of the decentralization issue as it's pretty cheap for anyone with the budget of a nation state to 'recentralize' the namecoin system, let alone a $5 wrench.

When it comes to things being seized under sealed court order, the authorities usually don't have a problem finding a wrench.

Re: As Many as 5K .Com’s Taken Away by Sealed Court Order by Verisign

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Post by fleitz »

joelrunyon wrote: post #18
fleitz wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All you really need to read is the language, they aren't people they're 'shady domain land grabbers'. You can tell from the language that the OP knew of an opportunity to buy mispriced assets and/or renew their domain, and having failed to take the opportunity is now upset at others having taken the opportunities they missed. You know the kind of people that couldn't be bothered to spend $90 for a 10 year registratio…

Given that you have 75 days to renew your domain after it's lapsed renewal - it's not really taking advantage of anyone. There has to be some mechanism to release unused & unregistered domains back to the market. And careful - you just dehumanized an entire set of people ("they're not people") because of the work they do. Domainners might be annoying - but they're not gangsters.

Oh sorry I meant to quote the OP, not dehumanize them, also gangsters are people too :)
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