Why women leave tech: It's the culture, not because 'math is hard'
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Re: Why women leave tech: It's the culture, not because 'math is hard'
#2That "not because 'math is hard'" part is extremely trolly and click-baiting. Also kind of sexist (as the article itself is making that implication out of the blue). It is also never touched upon in the article (i.e. that isn't a real quote, just a fiction for the title's own sake).
I actually like the article, and agree with many of its points and conclusions. I dislike the title of the article very much.
I will say that many of the criticisms layed out in this article to tech's culture could equally be laid at the feed of almost every other non-child-related industry.
The lack of work-life-balance and or flexibility is a huge recurring problem for all parents with young children. I highly doubt tech' is the worst offender in this area, however it is fine to discuss it in the context of tech' as it remains a legitimate gripe (and frankly I can see tech' being a progressive enough industry to fix some of this).
Re: Why women leave tech: It's the culture, not because 'math is hard'
#3I don't sympathize with this viewpoint.
Re: Why women leave tech: It's the culture, not because 'math is hard'
#4Basically the problem is that you live in a country where people are scared shitless of socialism so mothers get fuck all when they have a baby.
Any decent employer should give you reasonable benefits over and above what is required by law (i.e. nothing), and if they tell you that you should be wearing your beeper while on leave you really should tell them to fuck off.
Re: Why women leave tech: It's the culture, not because 'math is hard'
#5"Everyone was the same, and no one was like me. How could I stay in that situation?" I don't sympathize with this viewpoint.
Re: Why women leave tech: It's the culture, not because 'math is hard'
#6I worked for a lot of tech companies in the UK, and all the companies had women project managers and developers without any discrimination that I could see (I'm male). It probably helps that the UK has mandatory maternity leave, and the company must employ you again after you come back from leave. I now live in Canada, and it has similar maternity benefits. Basically the problem is that you live in a country where pe…
The problem is that you don't get paid. The problem is that you don't get a salary increase because your managers, knowing you're a recent mother, have expectations that your productivity will drop more than a man with a newborn.
It looks like the U.K. has solved the getting paid part, though: https://www.gov.uk/maternity-pay-leave/pay
Slate.com is running a series of articles where women from various European countries discuss maternity issues. The purpose is to shed light on European vs American experiences. The U.S. is behind the curve, but not by as much as you'd think.
Re: Why women leave tech: It's the culture, not because 'math is hard'
#7I worked for a lot of tech companies in the UK, and all the companies had women project managers and developers without any discrimination that I could see (I'm male). It probably helps that the UK has mandatory maternity leave, and the company must employ you again after you come back from leave. I now live in Canada, and it has similar maternity benefits. Basically the problem is that you live in a country where pe…
Re: Why women leave tech: It's the culture, not because 'math is hard'
#8"Everyone was the same, and no one was like me. How could I stay in that situation?" I don't sympathize with this viewpoint.
Why not?
I have. And it can be draining, no matter your constitution, and even without any identifiable prejudice directed at you. It's part of human nature.
Civilization takes work. Things like democracy don't simply pop into existence. It takes an evolution of culture. Male-dominated workplaces need to meet women somewhere in the middle. I think the present situation is unfair, particularly because there are all sorts of men who simply cry, "but why do I have to change my behavior!? "I was here first, and nothing I'm doing is intrinsically wrong!" Those people just don't get it.
Re: Why women leave tech: It's the culture, not because 'math is hard'
#9I worked for a lot of tech companies in the UK, and all the companies had women project managers and developers without any discrimination that I could see (I'm male). It probably helps that the UK has mandatory maternity leave, and the company must employ you again after you come back from leave. I now live in Canada, and it has similar maternity benefits. Basically the problem is that you live in a country where pe…
The U.S. has mandatory maternity leave as well. The problem isn't getting time off of work. The problem is that you don't get paid. The problem is that you don't get a salary increase because your managers, knowing you're a recent mother, have expectations that your productivity will drop more than a man with a newborn. It looks like the U.K. has solved the getting paid part, though: https://www.gov.uk/maternity-pay-…
Re: Why women leave tech: It's the culture, not because 'math is hard'
#10"Everyone was the same, and no one was like me. How could I stay in that situation?" I don't sympathize with this viewpoint.