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Germany’s great tuition fees U-turn

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Re: Germany’s great tuition fees U-turn

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Actually though, no schools in the Ivy League give athletic scholarships [1], and most college sports are revenue neutral. 1: http://www.ivyleaguesports.com/information/psa/index

They do have systems of marking applications of prospective students approved by a coach.

This. Not outright. Not Ivy League, but I know Stanford does.

Re: Germany’s great tuition fees U-turn

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+1 I remember my mother speaking to some college admissions person at a semi-prestigious school in Pennsylvania, many years back when I was in the throws of applying. When speaking to some admissions confusion with respect to my high school, the guy said, "Well frankly, it's not called the Ivy League because of its academics." That's always stuck with me. Athletic scholarships? You betcha. Academic scholarships? What…

>"Well frankly, it's not called the Ivy League because of its academics." That's always stuck with me. Athletic scholarships? You betcha. Academic scholarships? What are those? What are you talking about? Ivy League schools do not offer athletic money and all (now, not when I was applying) are need-blind, giving tons of money to those who need it.

I never said anything about them not giving money to students who need it. Not once. I simply stated what was told to me about athletics. There's a difference between financial aid, and academic scholarship. Recruiting for academic purposes occurs much more so in post-undergrad situations. Whether or not you want to believe that athletics play a role in admissions and awards is up to you.

Re: Germany’s great tuition fees U-turn

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+1 I remember my mother speaking to some college admissions person at a semi-prestigious school in Pennsylvania, many years back when I was in the throws of applying. When speaking to some admissions confusion with respect to my high school, the guy said, "Well frankly, it's not called the Ivy League because of its academics." That's always stuck with me. Athletic scholarships? You betcha. Academic scholarships? What…

Pedantic, I know, but it should be "throes of."

Noted.

Re: Germany’s great tuition fees U-turn

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Big problem with this. Particularly with dining plans, many of which don't refund at the end of the term/academic year and are required for the dorms. You want to be thrifty and only spend 600 or the 800 you had this spring? Too bad, you're going to have to splurge the last 200 somehow or you're not getting it back.

What is a dining plan?

You pay $x,xxx per semester so that your student ID allows entry to any of the institution's dining halls any time during operating hours.

Dining halls typically contain several stations with different kinds of food available at a buffet-style counter, and you can eat as much as you want. Some meal plans count entries; others are unlimited.

The system has its drawbacks, but keep in mind that:

- Dining halls primarily serve students who do not have access to (reasonable) kitchens. Forgoing dining halls would mean increasing the sqft/person ratio of the housing system.

- It is probably best that students with low discretionary income aren't in a position where they feel obligated to skip meals to save money.

- Dining halls are paid for by their customers. If you move to an off campus apartment (or even on-campus apartment-style housing), you are no longer obligated to pay in to the campus dining system.

The biggest offense, to me, is that dining hall systems are usually contracted out to huge corporations like Sodexo and Aramark. Dining plans can average to $12/meal, but the quality is several times worse than what I could buy at a restaurant for $12. My dining halls also employ (generally poor) adults from the neighboring community. While I guess this is nice, it's a little weird that we're the ones eating and they're the ones being served.

I'd much prefer that my university run its own dining halls, employ students to staff them, and not ask us to pay somebody's profit margin.

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The ICE shares tracks with freight trains as well. Only the TGV has completely dedicated tracks afaik.

Thanks for the correction; ICE trainsets are still way lighter right?

Depends.. ICE1 trainsets appear to be slightly heavier than the Acela, whereas the newer ones are lighter. But that seems to be mainly due to having no dedicated power cars (ICE1 and the Acela Express do have power cars).

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Sure, but German universities are also surprisingly mediocre considering how good the Germans are at everything else.

The parent post was challenging the definition of "mediocre". Given that such "mediocre" universities are able to sustain one of the most powerful economies in the world, they must not be so mediocre.

By that logic, all sorts of institutions in the US and China are damn-near perfect, as they're able to sustain the world's most power economies.

Re: Germany’s great tuition fees U-turn

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They do have systems of marking applications of prospective students approved by a coach.

This. Not outright. Not Ivy League, but I know Stanford does.

Ivies give so much need based scholarships that athletic scholarships aren't required. If someone's parents and poor, the school finds a way for them to graduate debt-free. (This is a big plus for them)

As for sports having an impact... They may not let in a 900 SAT football player, but 1200 may be enough for an Olympic rower.

Re: Germany’s great tuition fees U-turn

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+1 I remember my mother speaking to some college admissions person at a semi-prestigious school in Pennsylvania, many years back when I was in the throws of applying. When speaking to some admissions confusion with respect to my high school, the guy said, "Well frankly, it's not called the Ivy League because of its academics." That's always stuck with me. Athletic scholarships? You betcha. Academic scholarships? What…

Actually though, no schools in the Ivy League give athletic scholarships [1], and most college sports are revenue neutral. 1: http://www.ivyleaguesports.com/information/psa/index

That they are revenue neutral makes it even worse.

Re: Germany’s great tuition fees U-turn

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> Yet Germany has a very low number of working-class students, for whatever reasons. Usually I think it's the parents' influence (but don't ask me why). I think there are two reasons: 1. Three-tiered school system: German children are separated after the fourth grade and go to three different schools (Hauptschule, Realschule, Gymnasium) and only if Gymnasium graduates can go to universities. In theory this should hap…

So wait, in 4th grade your destiny is basically decided for you? Fuck that

It's not. If you finish Realschule you can still get an education at a company for a skilled job and afterwards go get your Abitur (to be able to go to college) at an evening school or something.

The early separation isn't the greatest thing (although there have also been people switching, or a friend of mine who changed from Gymnasium to Realschule and after 10th grade when Realschule finished he continued on the Gym and actually got his Abitur), but I actually think it helps because different students can learn at different levels and speeds.

Your criticism stands, though, and more recent attempts to reform the school system have introduced "Gesamtschulen", where all students learn together in one school, but pick different courses at different levels. The results are mixed (not as easy as black+white), but AFAIK not that bad.

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