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Most People with Addiction Simply Grow Out of It

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Re: Most People with Addiction Simply Grow Out of It

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As a sober addict I really can't comprehend the "flavor" of addiction the author describes. Most of my addict friends and acquaintances either worked at sobriety or died from using. Actually most died. If someone can just stop, most would simply say the person wasn't actually an addict.

That sounds a bit "no true Scotsman". Just because someone grew out of it after a few years, does not mean that they did not struggle with the addiction in the midst of those years.

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Your comment resonates with me quite a bit. During my high school years, I suffered a bad accident. My right forearm was pretty much shattered, almost amputated. For about a week after all the surgeries, I was on Vicodin 24/7. Just from that, I was addicted. The withdrawal was miserable, and obviously came at the worst possible time. That one week with Vicodin continues to have profound effects on my life, even now t…

Okay, I have long wanted to know this about alcoholics and alcohol relapse sufferers: Do one-time alcoholics - functional or otherwise - who have sought treatment and then completely quit drinking for a fair number of years, ever manage to go back to moderate & responsible alcohol consumption? or Is it pretty much a life of teetotalism, for them, after that? Do you know of any friends or family who have recovered and…

    > Do one-time alcoholics - functional or otherwise - who
    > have sought treatment and then completely quit drinking
    > for a fair number of years, ever manage to go back to
    > moderate & responsible alcohol consumption?
There's just not a single answer to this, so here are some thoughts:

* Been a long time since I gave up smoking. I think I could smoke every day for a month, and then stop again with it only being a medium-sized deal. Smoked for 7 years, ending up about 30 a day by the end.

* I gave up drinking just a few years ago. I have been given alcoholic drinks without knowing it on three occasions (and found out later), and it just wasn't a big deal at all. If I chose to have a drink, I think it'd take me many years to stop again. I am unsure if I will be able to sensibly drink again - I have a vague goal that I'll attempt it again in 10 years' time. I LOVE non-alcoholic beer

Re: Most People with Addiction Simply Grow Out of It

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I think it is useful to separate out the concepts of substance abuse from substance addiction. If the article just dealt with who experience powerful cravings and withdrawals (the most common definition of addiction, and the most useful as far as I can tell) then it would be much more insightful. Instead it seems to equate addiction with heavy use and recklessness.

Re: Most People with Addiction Simply Grow Out of It

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post #127

Unfortunately 12-step dogma has persuaded a lot of people that addiction is an inescapable fate, an innate disease/magical curse that can only be managed by joining their religious program for life. The worst part of this is that the 12 step myth of powerlessness creates a self-fulfilling prophecy. It's so colored the popular imagination of what addiction is and how to treat it that when the fact that the majority of…

I feel the same way about the 12 steps. I sat in on a number of meeting when I was younger and it was clear to me at the time that a many of the people there were really involved with the scene because they enjoyed wallowing in self pity and powerlessness. NA/AA gives people an excuse to be weak, and it's often used as a crutch that further enables the "powerless" in avoiding real responsibility.

Re: Most People with Addiction Simply Grow Out of It

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Interesting point: "The data supports this idea: If you start drinking or taking drugs with peers before age 18, you have a 25% chance of becoming addicted, but if your use starts later, the odds drop to 4%. Very few people without a prior history of addiction get hooked later in life, even if they are exposed to drugs like opioid painkillers."

Re: Most People with Addiction Simply Grow Out of It

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post #117

That's what happened with me. I'm an ex-heroin addict, clean for two years as of August 30th, after being addicted for 7 years prior. I just had enough... Luckily, Australia has a great support network for my situation, and I can't thank Biala enough for their help. Now I'm kicking ass and taking names :) My only disagreement is that I still think I'm recovering. I think I always will be, and I've accepted that. No r…

Congratulations on 2 years clean. Good luck with the tapering.

Re: Most People with Addiction Simply Grow Out of It

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Here is one addiction I wish I could grow out of: benzos and other benzo like drugs such as Ambien (zolpidem). I've been on them for almost 9 years, and they are unbelievably hard to quit. I take them for my insomnia. I don't have to take much (10mg of Ambien for example), but without them I'll lay awake in bed for 8 hours not getting any sleep. I've done all the sleep hygiene stuff such as CBT or forced sleep depriv…

Have you considered polyphasic sleep? This lady: http://www.puredoxyk.com/index.php/polyphasic-sleep-portal/

had lots of sleep troubles and polyphasic helped her sleep more and better. (Of course, if you have a 9-5 corporate job, it's unlikely to work)

Re: Most People with Addiction Simply Grow Out of It

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Okay, I have long wanted to know this about alcoholics and alcohol relapse sufferers: Do one-time alcoholics - functional or otherwise - who have sought treatment and then completely quit drinking for a fair number of years, ever manage to go back to moderate & responsible alcohol consumption? or Is it pretty much a life of teetotalism, for them, after that? Do you know of any friends or family who have recovered and…

> Do one-time alcoholics - functional or otherwise - who > have sought treatment and then completely quit drinking > for a fair number of years, ever manage to go back to > moderate & responsible alcohol consumption? There's just not a single answer to this, so here are some thoughts: * Been a long time since I gave up smoking. I think I could smoke every day for a month, and then stop again with it only being a medi…

Watch it with the smoking one. I smoked for about 8 years (ages 19 to 27, minimum 12 cigs a day) then quit for a year and a half. Quitting was so easy. Then something bad happened in my life and I started smoking while stressed. I was only smoking for about a week and it took me months of repeated effort to quit the second time.

Part of the problem was that the first time I quit I was mentally happy, part of the problem was I knew "how easy" it was to quit the first time and this excuse makes it easier to spark up while you drink.

Now that I'm off them for good again I'm much more scared of them than I was before.

Re: Most People with Addiction Simply Grow Out of It

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your comment resonates with me quite a bit. During my high school years, I suffered a bad accident. My right forearm was pretty much shattered, almost amputated. For about a week after all the surgeries, I was on Vicodin 24/7. Just from that, I was addicted. The withdrawal was miserable, and obviously came at the worst possible time. That one week with Vicodin continues to have profound effects on my life, even now t…

Okay, I have long wanted to know this about alcoholics and alcohol relapse sufferers: Do one-time alcoholics - functional or otherwise - who have sought treatment and then completely quit drinking for a fair number of years, ever manage to go back to moderate & responsible alcohol consumption? or Is it pretty much a life of teetotalism, for them, after that? Do you know of any friends or family who have recovered and…

I was heavily addicted to first alcohol and then drugs from ages 14-17. In those three years I went from stealing liquor from my parents to ultimately shooting up IV oxycontin, doing cocaine and any other drug I could find. In those days (mid-late 90s) the internet drug market was just starting, so I would steal money and buy things like ketamine and lots of "research chemicals" (untested hallucinogens) online. I ended up in the ER with severe self-inflicted woulds all over my face and body (I believe I literally pulled my skin off with my bare hands while blacked out on oxycontin--I have no memory of it).

I'm now in my 30s, have a family and haven't touched a drug like that since. I tried smoking marijuana a few times in my 20s but no longer enjoyed it--all it did was make me extremely paranoid and withdrawn, and I felt hung over the next day.

These days I drink moderately. I have a glass of wine with dinner but never get drunk (nor have any desire to). I never go out to bars, never drink hard liquor, etc. A couple beers or glasses of wine is as far as it goes.

I believe my drug addiction was primarily caused by a miserable, unstable and abusive home life growing up. I had no way of coping other than escape and self-destruction. Once I was independent and out the house there was no longer a need for any of it. I'm profoundly grateful I lived through that period and I have a lot of empathy for children and teenagers who go down the road of addiction. I believe firmly that it is a failure in parenting, although not necessarily intentional on the part of the parents. Children need stability, love and structure.

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