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Most People with Addiction Simply Grow Out of It

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Re: Most People with Addiction Simply Grow Out of It

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FYI: I don't entirely agree with this article. But I posted it in part because I seriously loathe the AA "disease" model.

My dad drank heavily when he was in the army. He fought in the front lines of two wars. I think he did it at least in part so he could sleep because alcohol helps suppress dreams (and, thus, also nightmares). About four years after he left the army, he swore off alcohol and basically never touched it again.

I loathe the taste of alcohol and, for most of my life, rarely have touched the stuff. But I did have a nightcap almost every night for a year at a time when I was very ill and doctors didn't really know what to do for me. At some point in there, it was not unusual for me to have two doubles with dinner -- the equivalent to four drinks. So I imagine I could have been classified as an alcoholic at that time. But when I got some answers and started getting healthier, I was happy to stop drinking. Like my father, I never attended AA, never wrestled with trying to resist temptation or whatever, etc.

In my father's case, I think it helped with psychological trauma. In my case, it helped me survive illness at a time when I didn't have good answers and wasn't getting adequate medical treatment. I have read or heard plenty of other stories that look to me like they fit one of those categories.

So I think the article oversimplifies things in suggesting it is just a developmental disorder, but I am thrilled to see a piece talking about the reality that most folks drink less as they get older, without getting any treatment. I really, really dislike the AA model.

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I've noticed that articles like this almost always fall back on implicit "brain as computer" metaphors: "systems involved in love and sex are coming online," "impact of the drugs on the developing circuitry itself." Anyone know of an article that discusses this? It seems to be everywhere in writings about the brain but rarely acknowledged. As for the article itself - I think it has a valid point but is overly flippan…

It's explicitly named in Philosophy of Mind: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computational_theory_of_mind

Thanks for the link - although I'm referring more to the (potentially false) analogy with present-day digital computers as opposed to the claim that the brain is a type of computational instrument, which is hard to find fault with. It's interesting how different eras apply their own en vogue technologies to understanding the mind. (I.e. Descartes and other late 17th and 18th c. thinkers visualized mental functions as clockwork-like mechanical interactions, the 20th century witnessed lots of "brain as factory" imagery, and now we're stuck on the brain as a network of computers).

Re: Most People with Addiction Simply Grow Out of It

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This can't be true if we're still going to use the (useless) metaphor of demonic possession to describe every aspect of substance abuse.

I've seen some ministries report a 50% success rate re curing addiction for people who join. So social recovery forms of drug treatment are very successful and might include things like exorcism and whatnot as part of belonging to the flock, I suppose.

Sure, we know from science and Occam's razor that devils and gods probably don't exist, but that doesn't mean participating doesn't show proven benefits. Although the studies that show the benefits of religion tend to find attendance means more than believe, so it is more of a network and support effect than anything actually spiritual.

Re: Most People with Addiction Simply Grow Out of It

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I don't dispute the article's thesis, but a significant part of the reason why addiction is skewed so heavily to the young could be because the most severe addicts die from it before reaching an older age. As in, you don't "age out", you "survive".

That doesn't add up. By all estimates there are many millions of people addicted to drugs or alcohol in the US alone (as many as 20+ million). If we are to assume that the article's premise that addictions tend to have a lifespan of about 15-20 years or so is due to the fact that the addicts are dying then that would correspond to something like a million deaths per year. In the sub-45 year old population that would absolutely swamp every other cause of death.

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post #17

Yet another HN article that minimizes the perception that drugs can cause harm. Yes it is true that most people grow out of addiction. But many do not. In my circle I count four dead, many more damaged by drugs.

I also know some dead and many damaged from drugs. Mostly the legal ones, of course.

Re: Most People with Addiction Simply Grow Out of It

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post #17

Yet another HN article that minimizes the perception that drugs can cause harm. Yes it is true that most people grow out of addiction. But many do not. In my circle I count four dead, many more damaged by drugs.

The article is not trying to minimize the perception that drugs can cause harm. Rather, it is suggesting that we can reduce the harm caused by drugs by understanding addiction in a different way.

Did you read it?

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