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Re: Reddit

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Post by mikelat »

giulianob wrote: post #75

As a long time Reddit user, I've been really disappointed lately with Reddits "battle" against content creators and the little recourse you have if you are marked as a spammer or shadow banned. See the recent /r/indiegaming debacle for example, where a subreddit where mainly indie devs would post about their games now allows very little self promotion ( http://redd.it/2fdwyv ). Some of these rules are Reddit wide so…

I understand the need to fight obvious spam and shadowbanning being a good tool for that, but shadowbanning regular users that are trying to contribute actual content is very disrespectful to the users.

Re: Reddit

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Post by SquareWheel »

jokoon wrote: post #63

I'm still interested in how moderation really works on reddit... the "reddit drama" always makes me curious but I don't really know the rules very well.

Users can create their own communities called subreddits. If they do, they are the first and only moderator of that sub. A sub can be about anything, and if other users enjoy that type of content they can subscribe.

Ultimately mods can remove or approve any post they desire. Some mods are hands-off, and others curate content. It depends on their goals for the subreddit. If users are not happy with the content of the sub or the moderation style, they can subscribe to a competitor subreddit or start their own. It's very much an open system.

Re: Reddit

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Post by teach »

misterS wrote: post #316
teach wrote: post #260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a really interesting idea. I wonder if there were a way to track per-reddit karma, and only allow redditors to vote in a certain subreddit once their karma reaches a threshold or account age. (Just like HN, but per-subreddit.)

"I wonder if there were a way to track per-reddit karma" This already exists: each user has a "show karma breakdown by subreddit" link on the profile page for exactly this.

It does! I guess I meant "I wonder if there's a way to take this thing you're already tracking and use it as a per-subreddit voting gate."

Re: Reddit

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Post by mikelat »

minimaxir wrote: post #7

I like Reddit. I recently obtained a data dump of every single submission and comment so I could perform interesting data analysis and may just determine what make a post on Reddit viral. The problem I have with Reddit is that I'm still unsure if it's a positive externality. There's a lot of good aspects of Reddit (discovery, community), but there's so much bad about Reddit that it's impossible to overlook it (abusiv…

> My dream startup would be a Reddit-esque link aggregator, which favors the actual quality of submissions, instead of submissions which are lowest-common-denominator which are optimized for the hive mind.

On that note there's definitely a potential market opening, one sites like hackernews cater to.

Re: Reddit

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Post by HannibalLecter »

silencio wrote: post #93
kyro wrote: post #9

Exciting news. One thing I sincerely hope reddit will do with the new injection is to increase the level of quality of content and discussion across the board. Often the advice given is "you've got to find the smaller subreddits" and while that's true, I think having the first few layers filled with terrible content and hive-minded, often racist/sexist discussion is incredibly detrimental to both the site's image and…

I'm a default (twoxchromosomes) mod. I would love to see better moderation tools. Most of the shitty content I've had to deal with are from newer/multiple accounts, as well as the older accounts that are sick of the trolls. Our AutoModerator shadowban list and our ban list is so ridiculously long I can barely scroll it. It'd be amazing if we didn't have to rely on a bunch of other tools (toolbox, RES, AutoModerator)…

A major redesign is required for reddit to prevent the issues you're describing and the admins and power users do not want the changes that would be required.

Re: Reddit

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Post by mithras »

na85 wrote: post #166
kyro wrote: post #9

Exciting news. One thing I sincerely hope reddit will do with the new injection is to increase the level of quality of content and discussion across the board. Often the advice given is "you've got to find the smaller subreddits" and while that's true, I think having the first few layers filled with terrible content and hive-minded, often racist/sexist discussion is incredibly detrimental to both the site's image and…

The reddit admins are taking completely the wrong approach if their goal is to increase the quality of discussion on the site. Every time a subreddit gets added to the defaults, it goes one of two ways: The subreddit goes to total shit (r/funny, r/wtf), or the moderators are forced to combat an ever-rising tide of shit in order to maintain quality (r/science). Neither of those scenarios seem tenable in the long term.…

They got rid of the 'reddit.com' subreddit that used to serve that purpose. (It was from the time before subreddits existed.)

Re: Reddit

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Post by SquareWheel »

giulianob wrote: post #75

As a long time Reddit user, I've been really disappointed lately with Reddits "battle" against content creators and the little recourse you have if you are marked as a spammer or shadow banned. See the recent /r/indiegaming debacle for example, where a subreddit where mainly indie devs would post about their games now allows very little self promotion ( http://redd.it/2fdwyv ). Some of these rules are Reddit wide so…

Not sure if you've been on the other side of the "battle", but there is a heck of a lot of genuine spammers on the site, and shadowbans are one of the few effective tools.

Very rarely is it the kind-hearted entrepreneur showing off a new thing he built who gets hit with a shadowban. It happens, but it's rare. More common is people creating accounts to do nothing but advertise, usually neglecting to disclose their affiliation in any way. Even more common is spammers creating hundreds of throwaway accounts used to promote Youtube channels/affiliate links/click scams/article farms and other nonsense. If you use a regular ban they simply make a new account. So yes, there's a very good reason for shadowbans.

>There's the whole 90/10 rule

90/10 is a guideline, not a hard set rule. Moderators of a subreddit have wiggle room when it comes to defining spammers. Many subs allow self-promotion. If you're advertising in one that doesn't allow it, then you're in the wrong.

>I wish they would just let the upvote/downvote system do its job

Votes work decently to bubble up quality content (if you consider lowest-common-denominator "decent"), but ultimately it does nothing for preventing spam, trolls, doxers, spoilers and whatever else.

Re: Reddit

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Post by mmcclellan »

Just wanted to say that this is a fascinating thread. It's eye opening to see just how differently I use reddit than others. I have numerous 6+ year accounts and I don't know what the hell most of this stuff means: subscribing, moderator tools, banning, All I know is nearly anything I want to learn about, there is some passionate group of people on reddit discussing it.

I just type in my address bar: site:reddit.com litecoin rig or site:reddit.com flask api, and open a half dozen tabs. Because of the compact layout, I can race through hundreds of comments really quickly and waste like milliseconds on trolls.

They've probably lost track of how many "How can this thing grow up, without becoming wack" discussions they've had. I think my answer remains, "it probably can't."

Re: Reddit

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Post by Rapzid »

drzaiusapelord wrote: post #264
fragmede wrote: post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I think its asking way too much of someone who wants to join a casual site known for cat pics and meme jokes to read through the couple dozen default sub rules. But it's not asking too much of that same cat-and-meme based system to be a focusing point for decently written short-stories and a good place to discuss books? I mean, you're saying that it's asking too much of people that they just click 'unsubscribe' on…

My point is that the system at writingprompts worked fine before they were made a default sub. I imagine 2X was a better place before as well, but I'm not a reader of that sub, so I can't really comment. Reddit's management simply has an economic incentive to promote these gems to defaults to draw in users and make the site more attractive to those unwilling to dig down, but in the end this hurts those subreddits. I…

Exactly my thoughts. The polarizing subs are probably casual stopper-by register bait. Who leaves the most feedback in satisfaction surveys? The satisfied? No. The enraged and the incredibly pleased.

Re: Reddit

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Post by ivanca »

giarc wrote: post #16
kyrra wrote: post #5

The one downside (as I see it) of Reddit that Facebook, G+, and HN all don't have is the ability to downvote. Downvoting makes it so larger subreddits will only have material on their front page that the majority of that group agrees with. This leads to certain subreddits (like /r/politics/) being heavily dominated by one side of the subject area. But I still use reddit daily myself. Getting off some of the default s…

With HN, once a user reaches a certain level of "upvotes" they unlock the ability to downvote.

There is another state: vote-banned, like me; basically you see the up/down arrows in every comment but they do nothing at all (upvoting submissions do works).
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