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U.S. Law Enforcement Seeks to Halt Apple-Google Encryption of Mobile Data

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You also can't stop criminals with a crime that isn't on the books.

If it isn't a crime then they aren't criminals.

I disagree, though I note your adherence to the dictionary definition of the word criminal.

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When they subpoena Apple, they will get cloud data which will not be decrypted. The issue is whether they would be able to give Apple a device and say 'decrypt plz'.

If the device is backed up in iCloud, Apple already has the decryption key and will have to provide it if they receive a supoena. The only way you're safe, even in theory, is to only do local encrypted backups.

The whole point of the updated system is that they don't have your decryption key. They will still turn over encrypted data, but LE won't be able to decrypt. That might be a leap of faith though.

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I'm pretty sure millions of people didn't decide for themselves to put a U2 album in their playlist. Apple made that decision for them. It's pretty clear that unless it's entirely your decision what goes on that device, what goes off and who has access to it, you didn't pay to own it, you paid for the right to access their content on their device under their terms. It doesn't matter if you paid money for it - they ow…

I don't own the content on my iPhone because Apple put a U2 album on there for me if I checked the box that says "automatically download new purchases". That's the worst argument I've seen in quite a while.

Judging by the amount of karma i'm shedding, the consensus would seem to agree with you....

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I'd also buy a Toyota or a Honda car, since it's less likely to break down while fleeing the police. Clearly, reliable automobiles are part of a pro-crime agenda.

So is that why the federal government poured our money into GM and Chrysler? Oftentimes those with an anti-firearms agenda point out that Glocks are preferred among mass murderers. Glock is to guns as Toyota is to cars; reasonably priced and notoriously reliable.

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If it isn't a crime then they aren't criminals.

I disagree, though I note your adherence to the dictionary definition of the word criminal.

There isn't another workable definition of the word. Maybe you want a word like "deviant" or "degenerate".

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"Instead of criticizing one person based on a picture, I criticize thousands of people based on a picture! That'll show him!"

Yeah, stereotypically speaking, it's the 90% of bad cops that give the 10% a bad name. Funny, though, the "good" 10% don't seem to have a problem with that.

I understand where you're coming from. I have an uncle that feels the exact same way about black people and Muslims. Wait, what?

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#237

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I disagree, though I note your adherence to the dictionary definition of the word criminal.

There isn't another workable definition of the word. Maybe you want a word like "deviant" or "degenerate".

(of an action or situation) deplorable and shocking.

Now that we've gotten to quoting dictionary definitions to words, I think we've killed any good spirit that may have been left in this conversation.

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You can never trust any "encryption" that you don't handle entirely yourself. This seems to be some more theater, aiming to deceive the general public with regards to the "safety" of this "encryption".

Of course if you implement encryption yourself you almost certainly did it wrong and are leaking data. This assumes you even know how to "do it yourself".

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post #236

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Yeah, stereotypically speaking, it's the 90% of bad cops that give the 10% a bad name. Funny, though, the "good" 10% don't seem to have a problem with that.

I understand where you're coming from. I have an uncle that feels the exact same way about black people and Muslims. Wait, what?

To the extent police work is someone's religion, I'd submit that these are exactly the police I'm talking about.

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post #232

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If the device is backed up in iCloud, Apple already has the decryption key and will have to provide it if they receive a supoena. The only way you're safe, even in theory, is to only do local encrypted backups.

The whole point of the updated system is that they don't have your decryption key. They will still turn over encrypted data, but LE won't be able to decrypt. That might be a leap of faith though.

So you are saying that if you lose your device there is no way to recover your data?
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