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Re: Adobe joins the Chromebook party, starting with Photoshop

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I don't see how, can you elaborate?

As a weh developer, I need photoshop, thus I'm stuck with either a Mac or Windows system. I'd much prefer to drop the VM's and go full Linux. I can't. Because of Photoshop.

Totally agree with you. I would just use Linux if I could run Illustrator with out any special setup on Linux. Instead I have a MacBook Pro.

Re: Adobe joins the Chromebook party, starting with Photoshop

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And this is the logical conclusion of the death of the 56K baud modem. There was a prophetic (if early) contest at Sun to 'imagine the future' and the winner got a SPARCStation. As a networking guy I tried to imagine what was going to change when the 'big yellow hose' (which is what 10MB Ethernet looked like at the time) came right into your living room. And one of the things that changed was that you could work at '…

The power/electricity analogy here is what's really key - there will come a time when the ubiquity of being "online" will be the same as the ubiquity of "the power is on." It's so prevalent in modern society we really don't think about it. It took me a while to realize that this is where Google is headed with ChromeOS/Chromebooks. Ultimately, "applications/apps" will not exist, there will just be the web and all pers…

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Re: Adobe joins the Chromebook party, starting with Photoshop

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And this is the logical conclusion of the death of the 56K baud modem. There was a prophetic (if early) contest at Sun to 'imagine the future' and the winner got a SPARCStation. As a networking guy I tried to imagine what was going to change when the 'big yellow hose' (which is what 10MB Ethernet looked like at the time) came right into your living room. And one of the things that changed was that you could work at '…

The problem with this formulation of the future is limiting cycles for the free tier sopping up as you say. How does that work exactly? Unless you're implementation is an interpreted language, I can't imagine a solution.

Re: Adobe joins the Chromebook party, starting with Photoshop

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And this is the logical conclusion of the death of the 56K baud modem. There was a prophetic (if early) contest at Sun to 'imagine the future' and the winner got a SPARCStation. As a networking guy I tried to imagine what was going to change when the 'big yellow hose' (which is what 10MB Ethernet looked like at the time) came right into your living room. And one of the things that changed was that you could work at '…

The problem with this formulation of the future is limiting cycles for the free tier sopping up as you say. How does that work exactly? Unless you're implementation is an interpreted language, I can't imagine a solution.

There is actually a pretty interesting solution in production today, you can use Vagrant and Docker to implement a containerized service system where 'priority' containers get resources in preference to non-priority ones. From the perspective of mainframe computing this problem was solved pretty much as a minimum viable feature (at the time mainframes had hard limits on things like getting billing jobs done before 6AM and other batch jobs got 'best effort' sorts of treatment) We have so many more tools now than they did, and hardware support too.

Re: Adobe joins the Chromebook party, starting with Photoshop

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Uh no. You see the reason personal computing exists is because it was people who wanted this level of control and "their own computer" started using these cheezy "calculator chips" to build their own computers. What they could do was a lot less than what the mainframes/minicomputers/workstations could do but you could own your own. All of those things are still true. But there is a rub. Today you can go on some warez…

Surely you must understand that the intersection of people that want to run graphical manipulation software and have the time and expertise to work on the GIMP codebase is rather small? Sure, the Steve Wozniaks of the world have always had the ability to write their own GIMP plugins or whatever, and you're right: that hasn't changed. But there were a few decades there where the rest of the world could actually own co…

"Surely you must understand that the intersection of people that want to run graphical manipulation software and have the time and expertise to work on the GIMP codebase is rather small?"

Of course I do, and those people will be faced with an uncomfortable choice, suffer the 'free' tool or pay for access to the 'non free' tool. And the people who run the 'non free' tool will use that money to pay engineers to improve it. And the engineers working on the 'free' tool will do so without remuneration or reward other than knowing they built something they like.

Re: Adobe joins the Chromebook party, starting with Photoshop

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It's not awesome at all. It's the death of personal computing. What to use Photoshop? Pay a perpetual monthly fee forever, with no control over which version of the software you are using. Adobe jacked up the price this year for the new version despite a lack of new features? Tough, nothing you can do about it. It's either pay up or lose access. The new version is buggy? Tough luck. Want to modify any of the software…

Uh no. You see the reason personal computing exists is because it was people who wanted this level of control and "their own computer" started using these cheezy "calculator chips" to build their own computers. What they could do was a lot less than what the mainframes/minicomputers/workstations could do but you could own your own. All of those things are still true. But there is a rub. Today you can go on some warez…

It is certainly true that most users will prioritize convenience over privacy and control.

It is still true that in the environment we are moving towards, those consumer choices are leading to a situation where _we don't control our own workstations_. Everything you do will be at the forebearance and under the observation of a corporation you pay.

You can say that that's the natural free market consequence of consumer preferences combined with current technology all you want. That is still a scary situation for us as a society, where more and more of our lives involve interacting with software, and we have less and less control over that software.

Re: Adobe joins the Chromebook party, starting with Photoshop

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The problem with this formulation of the future is limiting cycles for the free tier sopping up as you say. How does that work exactly? Unless you're implementation is an interpreted language, I can't imagine a solution.

There is actually a pretty interesting solution in production today, you can use Vagrant and Docker to implement a containerized service system where 'priority' containers get resources in preference to non-priority ones. From the perspective of mainframe computing this problem was solved pretty much as a minimum viable feature (at the time mainframes had hard limits on things like getting billing jobs done before 6A…

Good points. Supposing you're referring to setrlimit/ulimit syscalls for example, do those apply per thread or per process? My understanding is they're per process. Then the math comes down to how many user processes per remote machine can the service run? A few hundred? That's a hard limit on the scalability of the service. Is process really the ideal level of isolation?

Re: Adobe joins the Chromebook party, starting with Photoshop

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post #217

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As a weh developer, I need photoshop, thus I'm stuck with either a Mac or Windows system. I'd much prefer to drop the VM's and go full Linux. I can't. Because of Photoshop.

Totally agree with you. I would just use Linux if I could run Illustrator with out any special setup on Linux. Instead I have a MacBook Pro.

I think you two are a minority, that is why Adobe doesn't care.

Most programmers aren't artists/designers.

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> get a cracked Adobe CSx - What about when Adobe makes a change when going CS2 => CS3 that I don't like, or that is detrimental to me? If I 'own a copy' I can just continue using it. With 'CS in the cloud' I have to upgrade because that's what Adobe wants. - To step outside of software for a second, what happens when (e.g.) George Lucas decides that the "special edition" version of Star Wars is the 'real one' and re…

With CS in the cloud' I have to upgrade because that's what Adobe wants. Not that I'm a supporter of Adobe's cloud strategy, but as of the past 6 month or so you have a choice between using the current version and the previous version. We'll see when the next version comes out if they'll only support two versions or if they'll let you chose any previous cloud supported version.

There are people still running PS6 because it suits their needs. That can't happen in the cloud. Well, it can, but Adobe is unlikely to enable this to happen.

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Yep. Absolutely wretched: http://shield.nvidia.com/play-pc-games/

Local home-wifi has latencies on the order of a few milliseconds. And not to mention the bandwidth is also typically MUCH higher than the bandwidth from Adobe's (or anyone elses) server farms to your PC. Please try and understand the problem we're talking about before posting irrelevant links.

This sort of tech is showing up in various places and cloud appears to be a big market for it. Onlive had quite a bit of technical success with it though gaming probably wasnt the best market. I know what I'm talking about. Comparing this to 25 year old technology like vnc is a bit silly.
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