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Adobe joins the Chromebook party, starting with Photoshop

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Re: Adobe joins the Chromebook party, starting with Photoshop

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Post by pessimizer »

sillysaurus3 wrote: post #192
indlebe wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Daily GIMP user here, pretty much the only thing you can't do is print CMYK.

The problem with GIMP isn't its featureset, but its interface. It's so foreign to anyone who works with graphics that whatever UI metaphors it uses fail to resonate with people, so they just end up confused. What GIMP probably needs is an overhaul that copies what Photoshop does. People understand Photoshop, and it's the industry standard.

Photoshop's interface is awful, and the reason you like it is because you're used to it. GIMP should spend absolutely no time in imitating its mistakes.

Of course, we're offering zero evidence that either position is true, just bald assed assertions. That I vastly prefer multi-window is my only evidence.

>People understand Photoshop, and it's the industry standard.

They've been trained to. It's as intuitive to you as the way home from work. It's as intuitive to me as the way to your house from your job.

Re: Adobe joins the Chromebook party, starting with Photoshop

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Post by pessimizer »

dagw wrote: post #221
unhammer wrote: post #209

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I've never understood the problem with the GIMP UI, what is it about it that is so foreign? From what I can tell the UI's look fairly similar too: https://gtchan1.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/5-gui-photoshop.... http://www.gimpchat.com/files/196_2012-05-12_214936.jpg There's various widgets that contain e.g. tools, layers, history, fonts, tool options; and of course each tool might have its own options. (Also, the tea…

From what I can tell the UI's look fairly similar They may look superficially similar, and at a high level have the same tools, but from a fundamental workflow point of view there are too many things that are just very different (non-destructive editing, smart objects etc). the team itself have said in various ways that they'll never have as their goal to be a "Photoshop clone" And that would be fine and if they'd do…

> they're stuck looking kind of like a half-baked Photoshop clone

So does the GIMP look like Photoshop, or does it not?

Re: Adobe joins the Chromebook party, starting with Photoshop

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Post by lutusp »

pessimizer wrote: post #231
sillysaurus3 wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem with GIMP isn't its featureset, but its interface. It's so foreign to anyone who works with graphics that whatever UI metaphors it uses fail to resonate with people, so they just end up confused. What GIMP probably needs is an overhaul that copies what Photoshop does. People understand Photoshop, and it's the industry standard.

Photoshop's interface is awful, and the reason you like it is because you're used to it. GIMP should spend absolutely no time in imitating its mistakes. Of course, we're offering zero evidence that either position is true, just bald assed assertions. That I vastly prefer multi-window is my only evidence. >People understand Photoshop, and it's the industry standard. They've been trained to. It's as intuitive to you as…

> That I vastly prefer multi-window is my only evidence.

That's ironic, given that the latest Gimp (2.8) defaults to a single-window interface. I'm having a hard time adjusting, but this doesn't mean it was a bad idea.

Re: Adobe joins the Chromebook party, starting with Photoshop

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Post by u124556 »

math0ne wrote: post #60
flixic wrote: post #14

Well this is interesting. Their FAQ[0] contains some more information, but still does not explain everything. They say "however, instead of being installed on your local machine, it is running in a virtualized environment so can be accessed from any Chrome browser or Chromebook. Because this version of Photoshop is running in a virtualized environment, you open, save, export and recover files from/to your Google Driv…

IS it possible that there is a localized virtual machine setup and the image itself is what is streamed over the network? IE you would have a locally installed version of linux on a virtual machine and an additional drive is essentially steamed over the network via SMB os something that contains the PS application?

I wonder if they are going to pay for all the windows or mac licenses to run on or they have a linux version working inhouse.

Re: Adobe joins the Chromebook party, starting with Photoshop

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Post by penguindev »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #117
penguindev wrote: post #65

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You'd be preventing your local credentials from being phished / stolen, keyloggers installed, your machine from being in a botnet...

And your local credentials matter for exactly what? The only useful ones are increasingly the ones you type in the web browser. http://xkcd.com/1200/

I should have said "all credentials". The local one may unlock all of the other remote ones. Or you just enter the remote ones directly. Point being, theres a lot to protect. Is a keepassx password a "local credential"?

Re: Adobe joins the Chromebook party, starting with Photoshop

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Post by nailer »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #131
nailer wrote: post #128

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Web intents would allow new competitors to open existing docs.

In a way controlled by yet someone else. Contrast with files, which I own, can open in anything I want and that I can reverse-engineer in order to write a custom app for them.

You control what you open stuff in with web intents. The site the document is stored on doesn't.

Say Google Drive supports web intents:

If you have a doc on Google Drive, and you install an intent for a Google competitor word processor in your Google drive, you can open it, edit it on that service, and save it back to Google drive.

Re: Adobe joins the Chromebook party, starting with Photoshop

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Post by TeMPOraL »

pyre wrote: post #168
ChuckMcM wrote: post #119

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Uh no. You see the reason personal computing exists is because it was people who wanted this level of control and "their own computer" started using these cheezy "calculator chips" to build their own computers. What they could do was a lot less than what the mainframes/minicomputers/workstations could do but you could own your own. All of those things are still true. But there is a rub. Today you can go on some warez…

> get a cracked Adobe CSx - What about when Adobe makes a change when going CS2 => CS3 that I don't like, or that is detrimental to me? If I 'own a copy' I can just continue using it. With 'CS in the cloud' I have to upgrade because that's what Adobe wants. - To step outside of software for a second, what happens when (e.g.) George Lucas decides that the "special edition" version of Star Wars is the 'real one' and re…

> To step outside of software for a second, what happens when (e.g.) George Lucas decides that the "special edition" version of Star Wars is the 'real one' and replaces all cloud copies of Star Wars with the special edition version?

Yes, this is huge. The cloud is making our culture ephemeral.

Just yesterday I was playing Escape Velocity Nova, a video game back from 2002. It's an excellent game, and since its initial release, people made tons of mods to it. I heard that Eve Online pretty much copied their story.

I'm pretty sure that if this game was made in a "cloud version", as a service and not a downloadable product, I wouldn't be able to play it today. I couldn't enjoy the story, I couldn't live through experiences that influenced the gaming culture ten years ago. It wouldn't make any economical sense for current copyright owners to maintain such abandonware. It would just disappear into oblivion, like most SaaS startups do after a year.

Re: Adobe joins the Chromebook party, starting with Photoshop

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Post by TeMPOraL »

ksk wrote: post #207
MarkMc wrote: post #155

This is big news. Chrome OS now has the potential to destroy Windows. It will soon run a large range of Android apps, and a good virtualization solution would mean that business applications could be written for Linux and run on any platform that runs Chrome. If I was Microsoft I'd be very worried right now.

I'm not Microsoft, but as a user I'm worried. I certainly will not be supporting these kinds of anti-user lock-in SaaS platforms. I'm hoping users will ignore them, and they will fail.

I hope so, but I doubt this will happen, thanks to business users.

When you run a company, you don't want your graphics stuff to tinker around software and talk about freedom or whatever. You want them to get their job done, to make one graphic after another, to fulfil contracts. You need to pay for the software anyway, and as long as you have cashflow you can pay for the "services" (if you can't, you have bigger problems).

So, like always, companies will trade off freedom for convenience. The rest will have to follow, and the world will be worse off.

Re: Adobe joins the Chromebook party, starting with Photoshop

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Post by at-fates-hands »

sillysaurus3 wrote: post #192
indlebe wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Daily GIMP user here, pretty much the only thing you can't do is print CMYK.

The problem with GIMP isn't its featureset, but its interface. It's so foreign to anyone who works with graphics that whatever UI metaphors it uses fail to resonate with people, so they just end up confused. What GIMP probably needs is an overhaul that copies what Photoshop does. People understand Photoshop, and it's the industry standard.

Not sure if you know or not, but GIMPshop (GIMP with the Photoshop interface) has been around for a long, long time:

http://www.gimpshop.com/

Still not sure why Adobe hasn't gone after the Linux market. They could completely dominate.

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