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Declassified photos from Tinian Island as the B-29 “Enola Gay” was being loaded

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Re: Declassified photos from Tinian Island as the B-29 “Enola Gay” was being loaded

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It helps to understand how it actually works. The s in its does not point towards possession, it is simply part of the word "its". My, His, Hers, Ours, Yours, Theirs, Its. Not Me's, He's, She's, Us's, Your's, Their's, It's. English is an easy language. Most languages use a lot more words than all that to convey all that. English speakers don't have to deal with the singular second person, with a separate objective no…

I think this doesn't help. What is relevant is that there are two forms: it's and its. Its easy to mix them by non-natives like myself. No-one ever writes She's or Us's, but "It's" is valid as is its. It's easy to deduce that one should not write us's but it's not that easy with it. :)

Also:

Bob's going to Bob's house.

(Bob is going to the house Bob owns).

Look, a bear! It's going to its cave.

(Look a bear. It is going to the cave it owns)

"its" is a weird special case.

Re: Declassified photos from Tinian Island as the B-29 “Enola Gay” was being loaded

#52

It always amazes me how seemingly careless they were with these nuclear devices back then. To know that such a devestating bomb was handled by a sultry, shirtless youngster, in a shed on a small island in the Pacific... It reminds me of the Slotin Incident ( http://www.damninteresting.com/bitten-by-the-nuclear-dragon/ ) where dr. Louis Slotin accidently slipped the screwdriver he used to separate two plutonium/uraniu…

I'm no nuclear physicist but I think there wasn't a danger of dropping the a-bomb accidentally. If I recall from reading about it the a-bomb needed a huge electronic catalyst to start the fission processes. In fact a lot of time was spent setting up the timer to determine when to start the reaction during the bomb descent. I'm just recollecting so i could be wrong.

Re: Declassified photos from Tinian Island as the B-29 “Enola Gay” was being loaded

#53

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I think this doesn't help. What is relevant is that there are two forms: it's and its. Its easy to mix them by non-natives like myself. No-one ever writes She's or Us's, but "It's" is valid as is its. It's easy to deduce that one should not write us's but it's not that easy with it. :)

"It's" is a contraction of "it is", it doesn't exist in and of itself. Maybe that helps more?

Argh... now I really got it backwards. What I meant to say was that one does not write "shes", one writes "her", and not "wes" but "our". And that does not apply to "it".

To summarize, comparison to other personal pronouns is irrelevant since "it" has a special combination of rules.

Re: Declassified photos from Tinian Island as the B-29 “Enola Gay” was being loaded

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For those that have not read it, the Richard Rhodes book is one of the finest pieces of science/engineering writing I have read: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Making-Atomic-Bomb-Richard-Rhodes/dp...

He's written a couple of other books relating to the atomic bomb; both were included on the STRATCOM reading list:

http://militaryprofessionalreadinglists.com/search?keywords=...

Re: Declassified photos from Tinian Island as the B-29 “Enola Gay” was being loaded

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At least one of them [1] knew exactly what it was, I would guess that the others were working for him and had a pretty good idea too. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Sterling_Parsons

I think most of them had an idea about atomic bombs back then, and what they were doing could end the war. Robert Heinlien was investigated by the FBI in the late 30's due to a description of atomic bombs in a story he'd written. So the idea was out there so to speack. What they were ignorant of, I'm pretty sure, was the actual magnitude of the destruction caused by the devices. My father was about 10 yrs old at the…

The atomic bombs were not more devastating to Hiroshima and Nagasaki than were conventional bomb campaigns to other similar cities in Japan toward the end of World War II. The damage from atomic bombs did not stand out as extraordinary to the Japanese leadership at the time. What forced Japan to surrender was Russia's declaration of war. http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2013/05/29/the_bomb_di...

" ... But if you graph the number of people killed in all 68 cities bombed in the summer of 1945, you find that Hiroshima was second in terms of civilian deaths. If you chart the number of square miles destroyed, you find that Hiroshima was fourth. If you chart the percentage of the city destroyed, Hiroshima was 17th. Hiroshima was clearly within the parameters of the conventional attacks carried out that summer. ..."

Re: Declassified photos from Tinian Island as the B-29 “Enola Gay” was being loaded

#56
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There were amazing (and deadly) alternatives to a-bomb. Most interesting was Bat bomb: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bat_bomb

That's hilarious! Imagine sitting in the mess hall, overhearing two men discussing their day: "I'm working on a cunning plan. It involves bombs, strapped to bats. What are you working on?" "Oh, just a nuclear fission device. When it goes supercritical it's.. oh well, never mind. Tell me more about the bats!"

Re: Declassified photos from Tinian Island as the B-29 “Enola Gay” was being loaded

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It helps to understand how it actually works. The s in its does not point towards possession, it is simply part of the word "its". My, His, Hers, Ours, Yours, Theirs, Its. Not Me's, He's, She's, Us's, Your's, Their's, It's. English is an easy language. Most languages use a lot more words than all that to convey all that. English speakers don't have to deal with the singular second person, with a separate objective no…

I think this doesn't help. What is relevant is that there are two forms: it's and its. Its easy to mix them by non-natives like myself. No-one ever writes She's or Us's, but "It's" is valid as is its. It's easy to deduce that one should not write us's but it's not that easy with it. :)

Its easy to mix them by non-natives like myself

You're being far too generous to us natives by implying that this is only a problem for non-natives.

Re: Declassified photos from Tinian Island as the B-29 “Enola Gay” was being loaded

#58

It always amazes me how seemingly careless they were with these nuclear devices back then. To know that such a devestating bomb was handled by a sultry, shirtless youngster, in a shed on a small island in the Pacific... It reminds me of the Slotin Incident ( http://www.damninteresting.com/bitten-by-the-nuclear-dragon/ ) where dr. Louis Slotin accidently slipped the screwdriver he used to separate two plutonium/uraniu…

I'm no nuclear physicist but I think there wasn't a danger of dropping the a-bomb accidentally. If I recall from reading about it the a-bomb needed a huge electronic catalyst to start the fission processes. In fact a lot of time was spent setting up the timer to determine when to start the reaction during the bomb descent. I'm just recollecting so i could be wrong.

You're right, there wasn't any immediate danger of fission. It's just that now we know how deadly and powerful these things were, it seems almost endearing to see them being handled this way.

Re: Declassified photos from Tinian Island as the B-29 “Enola Gay” was being loaded

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It always amazes me how seemingly careless they were with these nuclear devices back then. To know that such a devestating bomb was handled by a sultry, shirtless youngster, in a shed on a small island in the Pacific... It reminds me of the Slotin Incident ( http://www.damninteresting.com/bitten-by-the-nuclear-dragon/ ) where dr. Louis Slotin accidently slipped the screwdriver he used to separate two plutonium/uraniu…

You should read Command and Control which is about the history of nuclear accidents and management in the US. Carelessness didn't go away for a long time, especially in the upper management. Very well written and interesting book. http://www.amazon.com/Command-Control-Eric-Schlosser-ebook/d...

Thanks! I loved Fast Food Nation, and wasn't aware he wrote a new book. This is right up my alley!

Re: Declassified photos from Tinian Island as the B-29 “Enola Gay” was being loaded

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They cost between 13k and 26k a piece in 2014 USD. That is truly amazing. EDIT: Even more amazing when you consider that they weighed about 10k pounds.

It's amazing/depressing how cheap bombs are when they don't have to be smart.

huh.. you're right. I assumed that anything the military bought these days came with a 1/4 million dollar price tag, but the Mark 84 bomb is only about twice the price per lb of the pumpkin bombs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_84_bomb

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