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Re: How Hong Kong Protesters Are Connecting, Without Cell or Wi-Fi Networks

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Post by trhway »

Mikeb85 wrote: post #44
dctoedt wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> neo-nazis with EU/NATO support Apart from Putin and his supporters, who says the Ukrainian government are neo-Nazis, and on what basis?

Right Sector and Svoboda both have representation in the new Ukrainian government. Both are right wing, fascist parties, and Right Sector even has paramilitary forces which engaged in attacks on political opponents, for instance the attack in Odessa in which they killed and burned alive dozens of Russian-speaking Ukrainians in the Odessa trade union building... Prior to the 'revolution', Svoboda was denounced by many…

>Prior to the 'revolution', Svoboda was denounced by many European nations and the EU.

yep. EU and US are at very interesting place. In order to fight Russia the EU and US are forced to support new Ukrainian government which performs "anti-terrorist operation" in the East (de-facto amounting to ethnic cleansing of Russians there) by mostly using the volunteer forces built of Right Sector and similar nationalist people. It it a big political skill to talk about freedoms, human rights, democracy (it is ok for Scotland to vote for separation, yet not ok for Crimea or Donetsk) and to not notice the stench coming from Kiev.

And this new "lustration" law champined by Svoboda and making its successful way through the Ukranian parliament - setting up committees on "un-Ukranian activities" with people identified by the committees (read Russians and all opposition) banished from all the _elected_ , government, education, military, etc.. positions.

Re: How Hong Kong Protesters Are Connecting, Without Cell or Wi-Fi Networks

#52

Post by ydevnow »

trhway wrote: post #51
Mikeb85 wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right Sector and Svoboda both have representation in the new Ukrainian government. Both are right wing, fascist parties, and Right Sector even has paramilitary forces which engaged in attacks on political opponents, for instance the attack in Odessa in which they killed and burned alive dozens of Russian-speaking Ukrainians in the Odessa trade union building... Prior to the 'revolution', Svoboda was denounced by many…

>Prior to the 'revolution', Svoboda was denounced by many European nations and the EU. yep. EU and US are at very interesting place. In order to fight Russia the EU and US are forced to support new Ukrainian government which performs "anti-terrorist operation" in the East (de-facto amounting to ethnic cleansing of Russians there) by mostly using the volunteer forces built of Right Sector and similar nationalist peopl…

Since when did defending your territory became 'ethnic cleansing'?

Remind me, who went over the border? In a Ukrainian conflict, why do we keep hearing about Russian soldiers? Oh, and by the way, where did the bodies of 4000 dead Russian soldiers go? Wait, how did they get to Ukraine in the first place?

http://euromaidanpress.com/2014/09/27/rights-activist-4000-r...

And please, don't quite RT.

Re: How Hong Kong Protesters Are Connecting, Without Cell or Wi-Fi Networks

#53

Post by dlubarov »

visarga wrote: post #46
matznerd wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

yes it's not very hard to jam, there are many jammers available online, a top result in a quick search was ironically from a site called jammerfromchina.com...[1] Also, with an alfa wireless card and python (scapy module) it can be done pretty easily [2]. [1] http://www.jammerfromchina.com/categories/WiFi%7B47%7DBlueto... [2] https://github.com/DanMcInerney/wifijammer

Can light be used to send messages when wi-fi is jammed? I mean modulating the torchlight and using cams. I realize this would be very low bandwidth though...

Well, radio waves consist of light, albeit outside of the visible spectrum. It is certainly possible to transmit signals using visible light (see Li-Fi), although visible light transmissions could be jammed using the same techniques.

Might not be ideal for covert communication though, since you could see someone broadcasting without any special equipment.

Re: How Hong Kong Protesters Are Connecting, Without Cell or Wi-Fi Networks

#54

Post by Mikeb85 »

ydevnow wrote: post #52
trhway wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Prior to the 'revolution', Svoboda was denounced by many European nations and the EU. yep. EU and US are at very interesting place. In order to fight Russia the EU and US are forced to support new Ukrainian government which performs "anti-terrorist operation" in the East (de-facto amounting to ethnic cleansing of Russians there) by mostly using the volunteer forces built of Right Sector and similar nationalist peopl…

Since when did defending your territory became 'ethnic cleansing'? Remind me, who went over the border? In a Ukrainian conflict, why do we keep hearing about Russian soldiers? Oh, and by the way, where did the bodies of 4000 dead Russian soldiers go? Wait, how did they get to Ukraine in the first place? http://euromaidanpress.com/2014/09/27/rights-activist-4000-r... And please, don't quite RT.

Defending your territory? From what, the people who already live there?

The operations in the east were essentially punitive, simply because they didn't support the new government. Yanukovych never sent the army after the protesters, yet the new Kyiv government did... I don't know if you remember the sequence of events, but Donetsk never separated and formed an army until after the massive escalation of violence by the pro-western Ukrainians...

> Oh, and by the way, where did the bodies of 4000 dead Russian soldiers go? Wait, how did they get to Ukraine in the first place?

If you honestly believe the completely incompetent and inept Ukrainian armed forces could kill 4000 Russian soldiers you're insane... The fact they were routed by a separatist force composed mostly of retired soldiers and volunteers with a few Russian advisers, despite having superior numbers and actually having air forces speaks to their competence, or lack thereof. By the way, the ceasefire was called because the Ukrainian military had basically given up, and many, if not most of the soldiers were on the verge of disbanding...

Odds are they didn't even kill that many separatists...

Re: How Hong Kong Protesters Are Connecting, Without Cell or Wi-Fi Networks

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Post by hobs »

visarga wrote: post #46
matznerd wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

yes it's not very hard to jam, there are many jammers available online, a top result in a quick search was ironically from a site called jammerfromchina.com...[1] Also, with an alfa wireless card and python (scapy module) it can be done pretty easily [2]. [1] http://www.jammerfromchina.com/categories/WiFi%7B47%7DBlueto... [2] https://github.com/DanMcInerney/wifijammer

Can light be used to send messages when wi-fi is jammed? I mean modulating the torchlight and using cams. I realize this would be very low bandwidth though...

Laser point to point: http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/128207-1gbps-wireless-net...

This is not low bandwidth if you have the right tools.

Re: How Hong Kong Protesters Are Connecting, Without Cell or Wi-Fi Networks

#56

Post by trhway »

ydevnow wrote: post #52
trhway wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Prior to the 'revolution', Svoboda was denounced by many European nations and the EU. yep. EU and US are at very interesting place. In order to fight Russia the EU and US are forced to support new Ukrainian government which performs "anti-terrorist operation" in the East (de-facto amounting to ethnic cleansing of Russians there) by mostly using the volunteer forces built of Right Sector and similar nationalist peopl…

Since when did defending your territory became 'ethnic cleansing'? Remind me, who went over the border? In a Ukrainian conflict, why do we keep hearing about Russian soldiers? Oh, and by the way, where did the bodies of 4000 dead Russian soldiers go? Wait, how did they get to Ukraine in the first place? http://euromaidanpress.com/2014/09/27/rights-activist-4000-r... And please, don't quite RT.

if not for Russian volunteers and hardware (and soldiers in the August) the Donbass would be blood bathed. It is a duty of the international community to stop crimes against humanity perpetrated by a government against its own people. Notice the difference between Crimea and Donbass - nobody shells the cities in Crimea - why? Because of full military presence of Russia. Putin of course didn't care about people and so he didn't send full force to Donbass unfortunately. Otherwise there wouldn't be that war on Donbass.

>Since when did defending your territory became 'ethnic cleansing'?

short answer - when you start defend your territory from the people leaving on that territory. Long - it is well recognized international law and practice (voiced very loudly by the Western countries in case of Kosovo for example) that a government/country perpetrating systemic discrimination and other crimes against a given ethnicity on a given territory loses the right to that territory. Clear case of Crimea and Donbass (and other Ukranian regions with significant Russian population)

Re: How Hong Kong Protesters Are Connecting, Without Cell or Wi-Fi Networks

#57

Post by Mikeb85 »

trhway wrote: post #51
Mikeb85 wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right Sector and Svoboda both have representation in the new Ukrainian government. Both are right wing, fascist parties, and Right Sector even has paramilitary forces which engaged in attacks on political opponents, for instance the attack in Odessa in which they killed and burned alive dozens of Russian-speaking Ukrainians in the Odessa trade union building... Prior to the 'revolution', Svoboda was denounced by many…

>Prior to the 'revolution', Svoboda was denounced by many European nations and the EU. yep. EU and US are at very interesting place. In order to fight Russia the EU and US are forced to support new Ukrainian government which performs "anti-terrorist operation" in the East (de-facto amounting to ethnic cleansing of Russians there) by mostly using the volunteer forces built of Right Sector and similar nationalist peopl…

Lustration basically amounts to cleansing any political opponents and dissidents. Sad this doesn't get more press. What the west has done to Ukraine is a tragedy...

Re: How Hong Kong Protesters Are Connecting, Without Cell or Wi-Fi Networks

#59

Post by notastartup »

sounds wrote: post #43
LeoPanthera wrote: post #17

I wanted to like FireChat, as it was previously possible to use it entirely offline, in a purely P2P fashion. While this is still possible, you are now forced to first create an account online, and subscribe to a bunch of internet-based channels, before the app will let you use the P2P portion. This is frustrating. The market is wide open for someone to make a pure P2P communications app that doesn't require internet…

servalproject.org is free (and open source) P2P voice, chat and online status. Uses Ad Hoc networking, which iirc FireChat uses bluetooth so servalproject should get better range. I'm not affiliated with the project in any way (I'm not in Australia) but I've happily used it for some tests.

this is interesting what is ad hoc networking and how does it work offline? Firechat uses bluetooth but doesn't work with iphone to android communication?

Re: How Hong Kong Protesters Are Connecting, Without Cell or Wi-Fi Networks

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Post by e12e »

dctoedt wrote: post #22
e12e wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No one abandoned Ukraine -- there's still a proxy war brewing there, between NATO and Russia. One might argue that it would be better for Ukraine if it was actually "abandoned". Between Russian "volunteers" and neo-nazis with EU/NATO support, I predict the ones loosing are "most everyone else".

> neo-nazis with EU/NATO support Apart from Putin and his supporters, who says the Ukrainian government are neo-Nazis, and on what basis?

I believe that part has been answered by other [responders to this thread].
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