And this is the logical conclusion of the death of the 56K baud modem. There was a prophetic (if early) contest at Sun to 'imagine the future' and the winner got a SPARCStation. As a networking guy I tried to imagine what was going to change when the 'big yellow hose' (which is what 10MB Ethernet looked like at the time) came right into your living room. And one of the things that changed was that you could work at '…
This optimistic outlook ignores the pesky reality of latency. Using VNC, X11, or an equivalent protocol over a connectiion to a data center hundreds or thousands of miles away isn't the same as an X terminal connected to a server in the same office buildinig.
Adobe joins the Chromebook party, starting with Photoshop
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Re: Adobe joins the Chromebook party, starting with Photoshop
#182Earlier quoted context omitted.
The power/electricity analogy here is what's really key - there will come a time when the ubiquity of being "online" will be the same as the ubiquity of "the power is on." It's so prevalent in modern society we really don't think about it. It took me a while to realize that this is where Google is headed with ChromeOS/Chromebooks. Ultimately, "applications/apps" will not exist, there will just be the web and all pers…
It's not awesome at all. It's the death of personal computing. What to use Photoshop? Pay a perpetual monthly fee forever, with no control over which version of the software you are using. Adobe jacked up the price this year for the new version despite a lack of new features? Tough, nothing you can do about it. It's either pay up or lose access. The new version is buggy? Tough luck. Want to modify any of the software…
A software company will make more profit selling its software as a service than a single-fee product. Therefore consumers will find software developed for them in markets which were previously not viable.
To take a personal example: I develop traditional desktop accounting software for the UK market. There is absolutely no way that I could produce a version for India due to piracy. I also cannot produce a version for Ireland because I simply would not get a good return on my investment. But if I provide my accounting software as a service I can capture more of the value my software generates for my users. This would mean people in India and Ireland getting more accounting software choices.
Re: Adobe joins the Chromebook party, starting with Photoshop
#183Earlier quoted context omitted.
Even so, in this scenario lots of people will discover that GIMP is good enough and so its popularity will rise, interoperability may become better and more people will take an interest in working on it. Photoshop piracy was the worst thing that ever happened to the GIMP.
If your vision of how people can continue to own their data in the future relies on GIMP being improved to the point that's not unbearably painful to use, you're failing to reassure anyone.
Re: Adobe joins the Chromebook party, starting with Photoshop
#184Earlier quoted context omitted.
I dunno... all of this sounds like fearmongering and some of these things are perfectly analogous to the way stuff already works. For example: "Want to continue using SuperAwesomeApp? Too bad..." Want to continue using TwitPic? Too bad. Obsolescence happens, companies shut down, products go off the market and cease to be supported every day. This isn't new. If there's enough demand for an alternative, it will happen.…
> Photoshop used to be a product, now its a service. This isn't an "injustice" it's normal business. Well, it isn't injustice. But it doesn't change the fact that this sucks, very badly. The thing about personal computing was that when a company goes out of business, the software they made still remains on machines. It can be 3rd-party-patched. File formats can be reverse-engineered, so that you can use your data wit…
Re: Adobe joins the Chromebook party, starting with Photoshop
#185And this is the logical conclusion of the death of the 56K baud modem. There was a prophetic (if early) contest at Sun to 'imagine the future' and the winner got a SPARCStation. As a networking guy I tried to imagine what was going to change when the 'big yellow hose' (which is what 10MB Ethernet looked like at the time) came right into your living room. And one of the things that changed was that you could work at '…
Re: Adobe joins the Chromebook party, starting with Photoshop
#186Well this is interesting. Their FAQ[0] contains some more information, but still does not explain everything. They say "however, instead of being installed on your local machine, it is running in a virtualized environment so can be accessed from any Chrome browser or Chromebook. Because this version of Photoshop is running in a virtualized environment, you open, save, export and recover files from/to your Google Driv…
I suspect this is using Mainframe2 which I recall reading about here: http://www.cringely.com/2013/10/15/mainframe2-runs-super-pow...
Re: Adobe joins the Chromebook party, starting with Photoshop
#187Earlier quoted context omitted.
But think this through...if you don't run anything locally then what, exactly, are you protecting on your local system by running things remotely? Although honestly, for something like photoshop I really don't see a problem. It's a creative tool, and probably isn't producing interesting data for the NSA, et al. The real security concern here is Adobe's, in that they want to protect their software from you , the user.…
You are protecting your private information in cloud A from company B. I can trust different groups with different information without giving them all access to the whole set.
Re: Adobe joins the Chromebook party, starting with Photoshop
#188And this is the logical conclusion of the death of the 56K baud modem. There was a prophetic (if early) contest at Sun to 'imagine the future' and the winner got a SPARCStation. As a networking guy I tried to imagine what was going to change when the 'big yellow hose' (which is what 10MB Ethernet looked like at the time) came right into your living room. And one of the things that changed was that you could work at '…
The power/electricity analogy here is what's really key - there will come a time when the ubiquity of being "online" will be the same as the ubiquity of "the power is on." It's so prevalent in modern society we really don't think about it. It took me a while to realize that this is where Google is headed with ChromeOS/Chromebooks. Ultimately, "applications/apps" will not exist, there will just be the web and all pers…
Except this isn't the web at all, this is some closed Google-only internet. This isn't the death of personal computing, this is the death of the web.
It should be pretty clear by now to most techies that Chrome* is the neoMSIE.
We should stop applauding these complete violations of web standards. This is the opposite of awesome.
The direction the web is heading these days literally makes me sad: less open, less standards-based, less cross platform. Everything which made the web a good thing in the first place is being driven away by.
Re: Adobe joins the Chromebook party, starting with Photoshop
#189Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's not awesome at all. It's the death of personal computing. What to use Photoshop? Pay a perpetual monthly fee forever, with no control over which version of the software you are using. Adobe jacked up the price this year for the new version despite a lack of new features? Tough, nothing you can do about it. It's either pay up or lose access. The new version is buggy? Tough luck. Want to modify any of the software…
OK those are all valid downsides, but here's a potential upside: A software company will make more profit selling its software as a service than a single-fee product. Therefore consumers will find software developed for them in markets which were previously not viable. To take a personal example: I develop traditional desktop accounting software for the UK market. There is absolutely no way that I could produce a ver…
I would see the propagation of SaaS model as advantageous to competition and not detrimental and thus beneficial to all who consume software, as it will reduce the cost to market and make profit models actually deterministic.
I work in a company whose products deal in the structural design for construction. The energies put into retail, licencing, fighting piracy etc. are very off-putting for anyone thinking of starting a software business but they seem to be essential part of selling expensive desktop software. Also, the de-facto standard licencing server solution (I'm looking at you, FlexLM) is ... not so good.
I actually only now start to believe there could emerge viable competitors to Adobe in publishing/graphics design, Microsoft in Office and Autocad in 3D design. The age of the dinosaurs is finally coming to an end. Yay!
To the average consumer it does not matter whether the software lives in the providers server or in the local substrate. It's the added value, usability and the trust in the software that matters.
Adobe's CreativeCloud pricing pisses you off? Fine, start up your own desktop publishing software company, implement, say 20% of the features you need and expand. Of course, race to the bottom is never good but a product that implements say 10% of the Creative Cloud feature set does not need to be as expensive - it's in a totally different segment - and once it has a user base and traction the company can grow, implement new features and products. When this virtualization-as-a service really kicks in it actually will be just as realistic option to start a desktop-equivalent product as making a web-app as the dynamics of propagation _will_be_the_same_ as for any web service. Good products will propagate and creativity will flourish.
Huge proportions of cost of desktop software development are about licencing, fighting bugs in different user desktop configurations, etc, non value-adding, labour intensive things that you need to provide a usable desktop product which are mostly about platform fragmentation. Suddenly you can develop software on top of _only_one_platform_ that will be more or less _stable_ in terms of your core functionality.
People, this is not a catastrophe and return to the age of the mainframe behemoths, this will be a new renaissance (... just as long as the pricing for the core technologies will be such that they do not lock out small time players... fingers crossed).
The only downside here are software patents which probably could and will be used by large companies to fight scary small competitors who will not sell but I'm optimistic their time will go away... at some point.
Re: Adobe joins the Chromebook party, starting with Photoshop
#190Earlier quoted context omitted.
On the other hand, all this cloud software means that you can use really demanding applications on cheap hardware, like Photoshop on a Chrome Book. But for the most part, I agree with you. Companies can change their pricing or terms at any time and you can't do anything about it. On top of that, to use the software you're paying for you also have to pay your fees to the ISPs.
> On the other hand, all this cloud software means that you can use really demanding applications on cheap hardware, like Photoshop on a Chrome Book. But Adobe can charge literally anything! And they can cut your access overnight at a whim.
Adobe can charge anything suddenly anyone can realistically start to compete with Adobe.
I would say that evens out the playing field.