So, Open Garden has an eco-system of mesh-networking that is a Walled Garden?
How Hong Kong Protesters Are Connecting, Without Cell or Wi-Fi Networks
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#12One question, does it just use Bluetooth? Or is there something else?
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#13Earlier quoted context omitted.
Wait who abandoned Ukraine?
Sanctions don't count. When people are dying sanctions don't count.
There are nuclear treaties that prevent stationing and mobility of NATO troops and armaments in the Baltic, Ukraine isn't even a member of NATO, and they are getting far more than mere sanctions - intelligence, equipment, financial aid, strategic advice, political and global media support to name a few.
NATO can't just abandon nuclear treaties. And trust that, as it controls 90% of the pipeline of oil between Russia and Europe and that because the conflict arose during highly contented offers for Ukraine to join the EU, that NATO is doing everything it can.
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#14Earlier quoted context omitted.
It would have collateral effects (disabling all wireless activity in the area of jamming), but it's absolutely possible.
>disabling all wireless activity in the area of jamming Only on the jammed frequencies. Police radios and such will keep working.
Weeelll... that depends on a lot of things. Any jammer with the power to work over a meaningful radius in this context is probably going to throw out lots of spurious emissions in neighboring bands.
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#16If the authorities sought to disrupt these networks, would it not be possible to jam Bluetooth (and Wi-Fi) signals within a certain area?
Authorities could also produce rogue clients that spam malicious messages--depends how resilient FireChat's protocol is and how well it filters noise (I might be talking FUD though as I haven't tried it).
Moreover, there's no way to police bad actors in a local mesh, and no global blockchain you can trust.
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#17I wanted to like FireChat, as it was previously possible to use it entirely offline, in a purely P2P fashion.
While this is still possible, you are now forced to first create an account online, and subscribe to a bunch of internet-based channels, before the app will let you use the P2P portion.
This is frustrating. The market is wide open for someone to make a pure P2P communications app that doesn't require internet access at all, even initially.
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#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
>disabling all wireless activity in the area of jamming Only on the jammed frequencies. Police radios and such will keep working.
Weeelll... that depends on a lot of things. Any jammer with the power to work over a meaningful radius in this context is probably going to throw out lots of spurious emissions in neighboring bands.
Police Radios (and GMRS, and FRS) are not neighboring bands to 802.11
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#19By the way, check out the sheer size of the protests via drone:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZ7r8qi3NIY
Near the middle they fly higher and zoom out and what you thought was large before turns out to be massive.
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#20Given how China is able to completely hide the protests inside the mainland, I fear for how this is going to end, because they can hide that too. I mean who really is going to come to their defense, look how everyone immediately abandoned Ukraine.
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