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This optimistic outlook ignores the pesky reality of latency. Using VNC, X11, or an equivalent protocol over a connectiion to a data center hundreds or thousands of miles away isn't the same as an X terminal connected to a server in the same office buildinig.
While I entirely agree and preach latency often, there are two major points I would like to make: 1) Remote computing doesn't have to use X11. The local machine can do some of the lifting. Wolfram Alpha on mobile phones is a good example of this- a server does the crunching, but neither is the client side a dumb terminal. 2) I cross my fingers that one day latency will be prioritized more... IMO the majority of laten…
Adobe joins the Chromebook party, starting with Photoshop
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Re: Adobe joins the Chromebook party, starting with Photoshop
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I can't see any practical reason why this would be the case. Photoshop is a pretty hefty application in terms of RAM/CPU, so it makes a lot more sense to run it remotely, since Chrome Books are built to be cheap, not powerful.
I agree, although perhaps ChromeBooks are "cheap and weak" because there are no applications that use the power (hence the failure of the Chrome Pixel). If ChromeBooks are to become ubiquitous, I think local VMs is a great solution for legacy applications.
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You should donate to and become a member of the Free Software Foundation. https://my.fsf.org/associate/support_freedom/join_fsf?referr...
I'd gladly do so if Stallman wasn't part of it. Childish meltdowns on stage, comments about pedophilia and toe jam eating aside, RMS might well have been a luminary 30 years ago. But AFAIK he hasn't done any coding in years, and mostly just travels around giving talks, riding on his past fame to continue to enable his lazy, selfish lifestyle (cf. refusing to own a cell phone but happily using someone else's, same for…
Refusing to support the FSF just because of RMS is, in my opinion, childish.
Re: Adobe joins the Chromebook party, starting with Photoshop
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Uh no. You see the reason personal computing exists is because it was people who wanted this level of control and "their own computer" started using these cheezy "calculator chips" to build their own computers. What they could do was a lot less than what the mainframes/minicomputers/workstations could do but you could own your own. All of those things are still true. But there is a rub. Today you can go on some warez…
Sure, but you then end up with two entirely divergent software ecosystems. As it stands two people, one of whom uses Linux/LibreOffice/GIMP and another who uses Windows/MS Office/Photoshop are able (bar some possible formatting issues) to share data and collaborate together because they can share files via dropbox or USB dongles. Once Photoshop and Office move entirely to the cloud there will no longer necessarily be…
Most people will prefer the managed computing experience provided by the cloud, and that's a good thing. I've had to ask "so did you keep backups?" with a sinking heart; and heard "My computers running really slow - can you have a quick look?" too many times.
Re: Adobe joins the Chromebook party, starting with Photoshop
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It's not awesome at all. It's the death of personal computing. What to use Photoshop? Pay a perpetual monthly fee forever, with no control over which version of the software you are using. Adobe jacked up the price this year for the new version despite a lack of new features? Tough, nothing you can do about it. It's either pay up or lose access. The new version is buggy? Tough luck. Want to modify any of the software…
I dunno... all of this sounds like fearmongering and some of these things are perfectly analogous to the way stuff already works. For example: "Want to continue using SuperAwesomeApp? Too bad..." Want to continue using TwitPic? Too bad. Obsolescence happens, companies shut down, products go off the market and cease to be supported every day. This isn't new. If there's enough demand for an alternative, it will happen.…
That is just an illustration of my point really…
The difference is that if the company that makes my local image editing software shuts down tomorrow, I still have all my files and I can still run the software. Eventually I'll have to find a replacement, but I've got a reasonable window of time to do that, and no corporation blackmailing me (and who knows what happens to the data held by defunct companies…).
>This isn't an "injustice" it's normal business.
Business can be, and often is, unethical. Somebody who argues that "we changed the EULA and now you have to pay a month fee or we delete all your data" isn't an injustice is pretty warped in my view. I've come to expect such psychopathy from business types though.
Re: Adobe joins the Chromebook party, starting with Photoshop
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In a way controlled by yet someone else. Contrast with files, which I own, can open in anything I want and that I can reverse-engineer in order to write a custom app for them.
I realize that I'm going to be a bit pedantic here, and it is not an argument I would support, but your statement *"Contrast with files, which I own ..." which is only true in a limited sense. If you have a book, in a file, which is stored on your device for your Kindle app, Amazon will tell you that you don't own it, what you "own" is a right to view it in the Kindle app for as long as your maintain your side of the…
Yes, I understand that and I agree with you here. I'm not complaining that they changed their thinking; I'm saying that their thinking sucks (for the user), and that the more they improve their implementation details, the worse-off we (users) are.
> So what may happen here is that something which has some value to a person, will be put outside their reach behind a price they are unwilling to pay. I understand that this situation sucks (...)
This suckiness is what I'm complaining about.
I need to think about it more to come up with a coherent view of that problem. However, let me share my current perspective.
I grew up in a world where software was owned by me and effectively free. What I needed but couldn't afford I could crack if I cared. Most of the time I didn't care, or there were better free tools. But sometimes it mattered. I learned my graphics skills as a kid on cracked Corel Draw and Photoshop (in the end I switched to Paint.NET + GIMP + Inkscape combo, as I don't want to publish - even for free - things done on "stolen" software, but all those tools are inferior compared to paid ones). I learned my Office skills as a kid on pirated MS Office.
I started programming around 13 years ago. Programming tools were already mostly free at that time (thank you Microsoft for MSVC++2003 Toolkit, though I loved my pirated Visual C++ 6.0). But it's not about piracy, it's about access. I learned how to code because I wanted to make games, and my primary inspiration and motivation throughout the teenage years was the ability to dig in and tweak various games. I knew my way around StarCraft binaries. Hell, my first serious application of Assembly was patching SC using StarGraft. I read UnrealScript files extracted from Unreal Tournament games. I hex-edited saves, tweaked data files, poked and twisted many games. All of this was possible because I owned the data. That is, the files were there, on my hard drive, unprotected. I built my whole career and half of my life on top of that.
To quote pg[0], "It is by poking about inside current technology that hackers get ideas for the next generation. No thanks, intellectual homeowners may say, we don't need any outside help. But they're wrong. The next generation of computer technology has often—perhaps more often than not—been developed by outsiders.".
What I'm really afraid of is that the next generation, the generation of my children, will not be able to poke inside anything, because everything will be accessed remotely. In order to learn and grow I didn't need a credit card when I was 13, but I fear the next generation will not have that luxury.
TL; DR: think of the children.
Re: Adobe joins the Chromebook party, starting with Photoshop
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Sure, but you then end up with two entirely divergent software ecosystems. As it stands two people, one of whom uses Linux/LibreOffice/GIMP and another who uses Windows/MS Office/Photoshop are able (bar some possible formatting issues) to share data and collaborate together because they can share files via dropbox or USB dongles. Once Photoshop and Office move entirely to the cloud there will no longer necessarily be…
Not totally divergent - those of us who are able to maintain our own PCs will have the best of both worlds. We'll be able to use either our own local apps, or the cloud ones. Most people will prefer the managed computing experience provided by the cloud, and that's a good thing. I've had to ask "so did you keep backups?" with a sinking heart; and heard "My computers running really slow - can you have a quick look?" t…
Not necessarily. Chromebooks are already locked down so that any modification of the software on them means DRM video support is disabled. Its only a small leap from video DRM to software DRM. This will probably be sold to users on the basis of security - we won't let your machine log into your photoshop account to steal/delete your photos if it has been compromised.
Re: Adobe joins the Chromebook party, starting with Photoshop
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It's not awesome at all. It's the death of personal computing. What to use Photoshop? Pay a perpetual monthly fee forever, with no control over which version of the software you are using. Adobe jacked up the price this year for the new version despite a lack of new features? Tough, nothing you can do about it. It's either pay up or lose access. The new version is buggy? Tough luck. Want to modify any of the software…
Why do you feel entitled to use proprietary software with no restrictions? Yes, Adobe and Microsoft are going to charge you rent. So what? Just use free (as in freedom) software instead. Adobe and Microsoft were never your friends, and if you feel bad about this recent development I don't know why you were using their software in the first place. They were always looking for a way to do this to you, all that's change…
And that's why things start to suck. What they way "always looking to do" to us is bad, but we had a period of happiness when they couldn't effectively implement their vision.
Re: Adobe joins the Chromebook party, starting with Photoshop
#149(From p. 117 of the EULA: (http://wwwimages.adobe.com/content/dam/Adobe/en/legal/licens...) "All rights not expressly granted are reserved by Adobe and its suppliers.)
Re: Adobe joins the Chromebook party, starting with Photoshop
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It's not awesome at all. It's the death of personal computing. What to use Photoshop? Pay a perpetual monthly fee forever, with no control over which version of the software you are using. Adobe jacked up the price this year for the new version despite a lack of new features? Tough, nothing you can do about it. It's either pay up or lose access. The new version is buggy? Tough luck. Want to modify any of the software…
Why do you feel entitled to use proprietary software with no restrictions? Yes, Adobe and Microsoft are going to charge you rent. So what? Just use free (as in freedom) software instead. Adobe and Microsoft were never your friends, and if you feel bad about this recent development I don't know why you were using their software in the first place. They were always looking for a way to do this to you, all that's change…
Who says I'm concerned about myself here? Maybe I'm concerned about other people, especially those with less technical understanding who don't fully appreciate what it means for all their files to be locked away on a cloud server.
>They were always looking for a way to do this to you
So we can't complain when bad people do bad things now? Also, I was replying to a post that was celebrating this as the future of all software (and democracy and human knowledge in general it seemed).