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Re: Adobe joins the Chromebook party, starting with Photoshop

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And this is the logical conclusion of the death of the 56K baud modem. There was a prophetic (if early) contest at Sun to 'imagine the future' and the winner got a SPARCStation. As a networking guy I tried to imagine what was going to change when the 'big yellow hose' (which is what 10MB Ethernet looked like at the time) came right into your living room. And one of the things that changed was that you could work at '…

The power/electricity analogy here is what's really key - there will come a time when the ubiquity of being "online" will be the same as the ubiquity of "the power is on." It's so prevalent in modern society we really don't think about it.

It took me a while to realize that this is where Google is headed with ChromeOS/Chromebooks. Ultimately, "applications/apps" will not exist, there will just be the web and all personal computing devices become thin clients. What to use photoshop? great, go to //photoshop.adobe (or something); Office? //office.microsoft; play the latest COD? //callofduty.activision. [EDIT: also note the importance of search in this scenario...]

I think google's bet is that just like CompUSA and other computer retail outlets have died, so too will "app stores" that sell digital equivalents of physical boxed apps. All apps will become services available openly on the web.

It's definitely exciting, though I realize it makes a lot of people scared and there are definitely security risks that need to be kept in mind. But overall I see it as another step in the democratization of access and knowledge. A few hundred years ago, only the privileged had access to resources enabling them to read and write and create things. A few years ago, only those with some serious cash could (legally) purchase a license to operate a copy of Adobe's products. Now, any kid with 100 bucks and a decent laptop can spend 3 months with the entire Adobe catalog available to them. Pretty soon, that "high-powered" hardware requirement will be gone and the market opens up even further and pricing will drop even more.

That's pretty awesome.

Re: Adobe joins the Chromebook party, starting with Photoshop

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The color correction can be done on the server. It just needs to get and upload your monitor profile, and Photoshop on the server returns color corrected pixels. Of course, Chrome cannot even read the monitor profile on Linux yet. I'm not sure if this also applies to Chromebooks though. Since it's a fixed device, it probably ships with the monitor profile file factory stored somewhere. Or Adobe gets the files for the…

And then H.264 artifacts probably undo that color correction.

Adobe has spent decades worrying about color accuracy in their applications in every path it can take to your eyeball and they're not just going to screw up the last hop because it didn't occur to them to take the effect of whatever remoting technology they're using into account.

Re: Adobe joins the Chromebook party, starting with Photoshop

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Really the cloud offering in the name applies to their storage (20 GB as individual, 100 GB as a business account [1 TB should be standard at this point imo]), Typekit and Kuler. The applications, like you said are pretty much the same as always with full local installations.

But this suggests Adobe might move to remote execution SaaS at some point in the next few years. I wouldn't be surprised if that's always been the ultimate goal of CC. A lot of SaaS is waiting for faster broadband. CC Saas will be limited at 10MB, but as speeds creep up to 100MB and beyond it's going to start making more sense. I think the rent-your-cycles model sucks for users, and is against everything personal com…

Yeah it's not a change I'm excited for if it does materialize.

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I'd gladly do so if Stallman wasn't part of it. Childish meltdowns on stage, comments about pedophilia and toe jam eating aside, RMS might well have been a luminary 30 years ago. But AFAIK he hasn't done any coding in years, and mostly just travels around giving talks, riding on his past fame to continue to enable his lazy, selfish lifestyle (cf. refusing to own a cell phone but happily using someone else's, same for…

I went to his talk when he was in Vancouver, and it was… interesting. It came across as very tone-deaf, the tech equivalent of the man standing on the side of the street screaming about how our sinful behaviour will invite the lord's wrath. He's described, in recent history, the method in which he accesses the internet; namely, to queue up a list of URLs, batch-fetch them, and then read them offline at a later date.…

He uses other people's phones because it doesn't give any information about him when he does that. If nobody else around him had a phone, he just would get on life without making that phone call, or he would wait until he found a landline to make that call. But if the convenience already exists, he'll use it.

He's actually quite internally self-consistent. The principle he's adhering to is (1) he doesn't want to be tracked himself but (2) if someone else is already tracked, that doesn't necessarily track him. He still thinks you should choose to not be tracked yourself, but if you already made the choice to carry a phone, it's too late.

He will use servers or devices which aren't entirely free software because it's not practical to modify them. This is why he makes a big distinction between free software and hackable hardware. He considers these to be two different things. He believes that once you have the actual device and it's modifiable, you should be allowed to modify it. If the device is soldered and hardwired from the beginning, then it's simply impractical to require that hardware manufacturers allow you to modify it. This is why originally free BIOS wasn't such a big deal, until all BIOS became flashable, so now Coreboot is one of the causes of the FSF.

Saying that he will use any server that runs non-free software is a simplification of his position. He considers that sometimes you are merely being provided a service, and you should consider the conditions under which this service is provided. That's why he eschews the word "cloud", because it conflates a bunch of different things and makes people stop thinking about their relationship to a server. He does think that merely requesting a web page from a server running, say, Microsoft Server is ok, because that's just information the server is sending him, and it doesn't matter how that information got generated. He might consider that Microsoft Server would harm the sysadmins using it, not him.

His positions make sense. He's a huge aspie, so he spends a lot of time making sure everything he says falls into place logically. Part of his aspie condition is that he has tantrums and eats toe cheese. You should view those acts as that: a condition he has to live with. But this condition also makes him think very long and hard about the ethical and technical implications of the decisions we make about our computers.

Re: Adobe joins the Chromebook party, starting with Photoshop

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And this is the logical conclusion of the death of the 56K baud modem. There was a prophetic (if early) contest at Sun to 'imagine the future' and the winner got a SPARCStation. As a networking guy I tried to imagine what was going to change when the 'big yellow hose' (which is what 10MB Ethernet looked like at the time) came right into your living room. And one of the things that changed was that you could work at '…

Did you win?

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I'm pretty excited to see how utterly wretched the performance will be!

Yep. Absolutely wretched: http://shield.nvidia.com/play-pc-games/

Do you think that works well over airport or coffee-shop wifi?

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I agree with you that this mentality is likely how we gotten into the mess, but I think the way out is less clear. Thanks to the whole piracy dilemma, there was motivation your three strategies and develop the technology and services that they require. But now the technologies are there and aren't going away anymore, even if everyone would suddenly start paying again for everything. Take Adobe for example: They moved…

Agreed. Making things even harder is how deeply entrenched the piracy-is-good mentality still is. Try arguing against it over at Reddit or on any thread about Popcorn Time or Kim.Com (what a douche) and see how far you get. You'll get attacked pretty viciously and downvoted into lower Hades, even at Hacker News. If you don't pay, you don't matter. Free means serfdom. This is one of those things that absolutely nobody…

Free can also be Free/Libre/Open. You don't pay for Wikipedia and you're not a serf as a reader / user, you're not the product.

Re: Adobe joins the Chromebook party, starting with Photoshop

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And this is the logical conclusion of the death of the 56K baud modem. There was a prophetic (if early) contest at Sun to 'imagine the future' and the winner got a SPARCStation. As a networking guy I tried to imagine what was going to change when the 'big yellow hose' (which is what 10MB Ethernet looked like at the time) came right into your living room. And one of the things that changed was that you could work at '…

I telework two days a week. I VPN into work, then RDP into a Windows server and start up Eclipse. It works.
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