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Re: Show HN: Javelin Browser

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I disagree. It's an unconventional usage but one that struck me as both deliberate and effective. BTW almost all people in Singapore grow up speaking English, it's the common language of 4 ethnic groups and is used on all signs, government correspondence and so forth.

I disagree. I made me re-read the sentence more than once, and I still think it doesn't feel right.

I feel "well thought-out" would be a better way to phrase it.

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People don't trust Mozilla because they read the code, they trust Mozilla because they do exactly what was described above. They do the things that foster trust.

People trust Mozilla because someone could read the code (and probably, many people do).

People trust Apple and nobody else can read their code. This suggests open source is not necessary to build trust.

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People don't trust Mozilla because they read the code, they trust Mozilla because they do exactly what was described above. They do the things that foster trust.

People trust Mozilla because someone could read the code (and probably, many people do).

I'm afraid Firefox is so abysmal noone could comprehend the whole project's code. Guess, we could only review a tiny bits of it (I had briefly read sync-related parts of code in hope I could replace them with something saner and simpler, but ditched the idea) and hope others did the same for other parts.

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People trust Mozilla because someone could read the code (and probably, many people do).

People trust Apple and nobody else can read their code. This suggests open source is not necessary to build trust.

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I'm also the developer of http://getgom.com (VPN as a Chrome extension using SPDY SSL proxies), and as a fellow Singaporean when our government openly does surveilance, I __completely__ understand where you are coming from. To be fair, I'm not sure how I can solve his problem though. Open sourcing could be a plausible answer. But fighting Google Play clones and what-not is really time-consuming and as an indie dev, m…

What's stopping clones from replicating your UI right now? Are you concerned with loss of IAP revenue to clones? I would suggest you open source it under a non-commercial license. Also, take a look at how some successful android open source projects are run. In particular, I like XPrivacy ( https://github.com/M66B/XPrivacy ). This is an excellent app. Open source with optional purchase, similar to yours. Personally,…

I think the main part about being free software is not that the code could be reviewed or whatever, but that the software respects its users' freedoms. And for me, that alone is a good reason to respect the software and its developer.

XPrivacy is a great example. Another one would be "Conversations" XMPP client, that is FLOSS, but is a paid app on Google Play. Even though I wouldn't call it completely mature yet (it's 0.7.x and lacks some polish and minor features), it's a good app that does its job very well and 1-5k users (not bad for non-gratis app, I guess) seem to agree.

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You are forced to have a Google account to use Google Play. Once you have a Google account on your phone it is privacy game over.

I think that's a little bombastic. So is that a custom ROM or stock Android with no account set? Seems like if you deeply distrust Google you probably wouldn't want to run Android at all.

You misunderstand me. I was simply articulating what I assumed the poster meant by his comment:

  Personally, I don't have Google Apps on my phone at all.
  If it's not in F-Droid or available as an apk from the 
  developer, it doesn't get installed.
I personally have a stock Nexus 4 and accept that I'm simply a Google commodity. I accept that by having a Google Account on my phone means that Google are tracking everything I do, who I talk to, who I message, every website I visit and every opinion and iota of information about me, even some that they have extrapolated about me that I personally didn't realise, Google already knows. I accept that if Google knows this, the NSA can also get hold of this information relatively easily.

However, I don't work for any company of NSA interest. I have no threatening political or religious affiliations. I don't pose a threat to the status quo. I am not a wolf. I am a sheep. Therefore, my privacy can be traded for free Google features - slurp...

@niklasni1 though probably does care, which is why he doesn't use Google Play, because then he would need a Google account on his phone, that subsequently would be tracked by Google wherever he goes. Maybe @niklasni1 has a networking job for a European satellite provider that the NSA finds interesting. Maybe he is worried about being tasked. In which case, it isn't bombastic at all.

Re: Show HN: Javelin Browser

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This addresses a pain point I didn't even realize I had -- waiting for the browser context switch followed by waiting for the page to load, followed by impatiently scrolling the page while it continues to parse, sometimes causing janky scroll teleporting as images are embedded above my viewport.

This is simply fantastic. Pro purchased.

One suggestion -- if it is possible to insert yourself as two entries on the Open With page, it would be nice to have the option to click a link and open with "Javelin" or "Javelin (Reader Mode)" (I'm talking about the android system popup for handling mime types)

Re: Show HN: Javelin Browser

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I notice that you use www.theverge.com in a number of the screenshots for Javelin. The writers at The Verge, the developers that build the site, the designers that make it beautiful - are all paid through ad revenue. Please consider at least adding the ability to whitelist sites if you are going to bundle ad block. *Full disclosure - I am a developer at Vox Media, the publisher of The Verge.

Please stop using ads, which is a sneaky and dishonest way to get at your end users' money. It's a lie that with ads you give your content for free:

1. The advertisers who pay you get their money from us, added to the prices of the things we buy. There is no free lunch.

2. The overhead cost of advertising is huge and we pay for that too.

3. We pay the opportunity cost of a product that cannot put users first because you live or die by giving advertisers what they want (and what we want indirectly and secondarily). This includes both the cost of lost privacy as well as business, editorial and design decisions that optimize for advertising revenue. As has been said, you are using us as products more than treating us as your paying customers. Let me restate to be extra clear: WE are the paying customer, but we don't look like that to your finance department.

4. We pay the social costs. Democracy and the free market assume people make voting and purchasing decisions based on facts and reason. Advertising undermines democracy[1] and the free market[2]. Advertising is predominantly about manipulation and deceit. I believe this is the most expensive cost of content that relies on advertising revenue.

Added together, we readers are paying a lot more for "free" Verge content than if we could just straight up pay you for straight-up ad-free articles. And even we non-readers are paying because of the social costs, and all the link-bait that spams the web because of the perverse incentives of advertising.

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[This is a condensed version of a more detailed case with reference links that I made here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7485773]

[1] Do you really need a link for this one? We all know that money decides who gets to run in an election, plays a big part in who wins, and has a tremendous influence on what legislation they introduce, support or fight.

[2] http://www.chaosisgood.com/2013/03/how-advertising-undermine...

Re: Show HN: Javelin Browser

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I notice that you use www.theverge.com in a number of the screenshots for Javelin. The writers at The Verge, the developers that build the site, the designers that make it beautiful - are all paid through ad revenue. Please consider at least adding the ability to whitelist sites if you are going to bundle ad block. *Full disclosure - I am a developer at Vox Media, the publisher of The Verge.

Yeah, that's kind of a must-have feature. Even if I wouldn't want to support Vox Media after the recent controversy, there are sites that simply won't work unless you disable (or at least manually fine-tune) your filters.
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