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Re: Ask YC: Are there any startups using ASP.NET?

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Post by DarrenStuart » Wed, Nov 21, 2007, 3:00 PM UTC

jdavid wrote: post #116

DarrenStuart wrote: post #89

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have you checked out http://www.flexiscale.com/ Its like s3 and ec2 combined and they have an sla. Its fairly easy to get it up and running and they have load balancing out features too.

yeah, there are a few problems for us with their service, 1. we live in America and because our politicians suck so much, our currency is falling (go home ownership, at the cost of our currency, frickn idiots) and its hard to track what we are really spending on a service that bills in pounds. 2. they are expensive, and in some cases about 2x what ec2 is. 3. they do not have an image deployment system like amazon, no…

yeah good point I am in the uk. There storage system is integrated into the package and is actually pretty neat. They do have a way to setup your server and then save that setup and then startup other instances like it.

I have not looked at mono for a while I might go back and have a look.

Re: Ask YC: Are there any startups using ASP.NET?

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Post by kogir » Wed, Nov 21, 2007, 5:25 PM UTC

damon wrote: post #24

I recommend asp.net to all my competitors!

It's not such horrid advice to follow.

As mentioned in another comment already, Loopt uses ASP.Net in addition to other Microsoft and open source technologies.

If I could start over, I'd use it again.

ASP.Net the framework is great. By framework I mean the request pipeline and everything else on which the high level items like the TextControl are built atop. There's a lot of crap at the top (built in controls, page viewstate, etc), but you're not forced to use it. Hooks are exposed at almost every level of the stack where you can override the default behavior to do what you want (and I do). The trick is knowing when to NOT use the built in stuff.

Also of note is that while ASP.Net necessitates IIS and Windows, it doesn't lock you down any further if you're willing to take a few risks (no vendor support). From the beginning Loopt's website has used a custom session state provider: At first it stored all user state in encrypted cookies, but now it's moving to a fault tolerant, distributed Erlang based store. Results from PostgreSQL servers running on FreeBSD power many of our GIS based features. *nix based boxes perform all of Loopt's geocoding and map generation tasks.

At Loopt we try to pick the best tool for the job. Sometimes it's sold by Microsoft.

Sidenote: You can pay for Microsoft software on a per box per month basis, and only pay for what you use. I think that Windows Server Web Edition is only about $10/box/month. Not actually that big a deal in the big scheme of things. For example, good developers are WAY more expensive than software =P

Re: Ask YC: Are there any startups using ASP.NET?

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Post by hello_moto » Wed, Nov 21, 2007, 6:03 PM UTC

kogir wrote: post #122

damon wrote: post #24

I recommend asp.net to all my competitors!

It's not such horrid advice to follow. As mentioned in another comment already, Loopt uses ASP.Net in addition to other Microsoft and open source technologies. If I could start over, I'd use it again. ASP.Net the framework is great. By framework I mean the request pipeline and everything else on which the high level items like the TextControl are built atop. There's a lot of crap at the top (built in controls, page v…

Thanks for the insight kogir. There are a lot of young people that don't really know MS pricing scheme.

Re: Ask YC: Are there any startups using ASP.NET?

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Post by michaelneale » Thu, Nov 22, 2007, 5:34 AM UTC

icky wrote: post #105

jdavid wrote: post #66

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Java and .NET are both OO functional languages that execute code in JIT compilers, but there are many differences. .NET has stronger patterns throughout the system, you basically learn one set of patterns and it works on everything. most developers support all of the patterns. .NET has superior thread and memory management. in most tests i have seen, .NET code runs faster with less memory bulk and with better memory…

> Java and .NET are both OO functional languages You keep saying that word... I do not think it means what you think it means.

>You keep saying that word... I do not think it means what you think it means.

Where does that quote come from?

Re: Ask YC: Are there any startups using ASP.NET?

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Post by axod » Thu, Nov 22, 2007, 9:11 AM UTC

michaelneale wrote: post #124

icky wrote: post #105

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> Java and .NET are both OO functional languages You keep saying that word... I do not think it means what you think it means.

>You keep saying that word... I do not think it means what you think it means. Where does that quote come from?

You don't know?? Inconceivable!

Re: Ask YC: Are there any startups using ASP.NET?

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Post by icky » Thu, Nov 22, 2007, 1:36 PM UTC

michaelneale wrote: post #124

icky wrote: post #105

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> Java and .NET are both OO functional languages You keep saying that word... I do not think it means what you think it means.

>You keep saying that word... I do not think it means what you think it means. Where does that quote come from?

The Princess Bride.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093779/

Go watch it right now.

Re: Ask YC: Are there any startups using ASP.NET?

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Post by nreece » Thu, Nov 22, 2007, 11:25 PM UTC

At Feedity (http://www.feedity.com) we have been using ASP.NET and C# (.NET 2) exclusively. Quite stable and scalable, even during surges. Recently we moved our application platform to a web farm (clustered hosting), and its working out quite well.

Re: Ask YC: Are there any startups using ASP.NET?

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Post by michaelneale » Fri, Nov 23, 2007, 2:35 AM UTC

icky wrote: post #126

michaelneale wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>You keep saying that word... I do not think it means what you think it means. Where does that quote come from?

The Princess Bride. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093779/ Go watch it right now.

Ah I thought it was that. The "inconceivable" word wasn't it?

yes, brilliant movie.

Re: Ask YC: Are there any startups using ASP.NET?

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Post by jdavid » Mon, Nov 26, 2007, 9:09 PM UTC

icky wrote: post #104

jdavid wrote: post #68

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Java can not manage memory marshaling between win32 apps and managed code. In Java, you need to message pass with pipes, and its a pain. In Linux Piping is really fast, but in Windows, Piping is slow. I really like being able to code C++ and C# in the same solution, but in different projects, while being able to step through all layers of the code. Remote Debuging, and RPC calls are way better in .NET Also if you are…

> In Java, you need to message pass with pipes, and its a pain. What, no sockets?

yeah, TCP/IP stack latency. ;-/

Re: Ask YC: Are there any startups using ASP.NET?

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Post by jdavid » Mon, Nov 26, 2007, 9:11 PM UTC

DarrenStuart wrote: post #121

jdavid wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

yeah, there are a few problems for us with their service, 1. we live in America and because our politicians suck so much, our currency is falling (go home ownership, at the cost of our currency, frickn idiots) and its hard to track what we are really spending on a service that bills in pounds. 2. they are expensive, and in some cases about 2x what ec2 is. 3. they do not have an image deployment system like amazon, no…

yeah good point I am in the uk. There storage system is integrated into the package and is actually pretty neat. They do have a way to setup your server and then save that setup and then startup other instances like it. I have not looked at mono for a while I might go back and have a look.

a local .net developer claims that mono is really good at matching microsofts .net deployment in every way.