Following Sony, Samsung has stopped sales of its laptops in Europe

Post by toyg » Thu, Sep 25, 2014, 8:52 PM UTC

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Basically, in my experience, Dell and Lenovo now rule the corporate market, while the consumer market is now 1) smaller (since tablets and smartphones cannibalized some of it) and 2) clearly split between Apple and "everything else", where "everything else" runs on thin margins and is perceived as cheap and uncool. My anecdotal datapoint is that, in the last 5 years, I haven't seen anyone in my sector (finance / IT i…

Your experience is probably anecdotal. I have been using Surface Pro 3 and if that is not cool I am not sure what else could be.

Post by ekianjo » Fri, Sep 26, 2014, 3:23 AM UTC

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There's plenty of life in the PC platform. When you'll want to have high quality VR at home, it won't be on PS4 nor on Gear VR, it will be on a High specs PC with an Oculus or Valve headset. So not sure where you see this as an ongoing decline, when new uses are on the rise. EDIT: besides, based on your link, it should be classified as Mature Phase and not Declining phase. See sales numbers.

First, we're talking about laptops not all PCs. Second, the chart is of profit, not sales volume -- the number you gave. If you have not grown your sales by a rate that is at least in line with economic growth, you're in decline. The term describes a simple economic fact, and is correctly used. You're upset because you see some kind of conspiracy to defame the PC or whatever, but the industry has not grown in sales w…

Post by jessedhillon » Fri, Sep 26, 2014, 7:45 AM UTC

ekianjo wrote: post #83

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First, we're talking about laptops not all PCs. Second, the chart is of profit, not sales volume -- the number you gave. If you have not grown your sales by a rate that is at least in line with economic growth, you're in decline. The term describes a simple economic fact, and is correctly used. You're upset because you see some kind of conspiracy to defame the PC or whatever, but the industry has not grown in sales w…

Even if you consider profits, they are mostly stable. See below. http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/20...

Post by dalore » Fri, Sep 26, 2014, 9:11 AM UTC

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I literally just bought the Samsung chromebook. Should I return it and get another chromebook?

Why would the fact that Samsung is no longer selling Chromebooks in Europe make you want to return the Chromebook you already purchased?

Post by jessedhillon » Fri, Sep 26, 2014, 2:46 PM UTC

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Jesus you are desperate to prove something here aren't you? This is a chart of per PC profit. Let's break that phrase down: "per" -- this says nothing about industry-wide profit, which you would need to address in a discussion about whether or not the industry is in decline. If I said that profit-per-telephone for rotary phones was the highest ever this year, would you be convinced that the industry is doing better t…

> The industry is clearly in decline by every accepted measure Feel free to find data showing "clear decline". I'm saying I'm not convinced. It's about as much in decline as anything else that's needed in every life : cars, fridges, stoves... PCs are now commodities, what's the big news ? This means low profit margins, and this means low renewal cycles too except for niche uses. Yet we aren't going to see the sales d…