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Re: It's called “Ship” not “Shit”

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Post by ggchappell » Tue, Sep 23, 2014, 11:34 PM UTC

mortenjorck wrote: post #9

I remember reading once that part of Apple’s success was owed to their shunning of lean principles, that they only ever ship complete, mature products. I would say that couldn’t be further from the truth: the original iPhone was about as minimum-viable as a category-defining hardware product could be. It did only a few things (web browsing, media playback, email) better than anything else on the market, and left out…

> I remember reading once that part of Apple’s success was owed to their shunning of lean principles, that they only ever ship complete, mature products.

I think I read that, back when the original Macintosh was being developed, some people from Apple toured a Toyota factory to see how things were done there.

Since Toyota pioneered lean, it sounds more like Apple embraced lean principles than that they shunned them. OTOH, this would have been a number of years before Apple was anything like the success they are today.

EDIT: Also, do lean principles have anything to do with not shipping finished products? I thought lean was all about things like minimizing inventory.

Re: It's called “Ship” not “Shit”

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Post by mortenjorck » Wed, Sep 24, 2014, 2:06 AM UTC

ggchappell wrote: post #21

mortenjorck wrote: post #9

I remember reading once that part of Apple’s success was owed to their shunning of lean principles, that they only ever ship complete, mature products. I would say that couldn’t be further from the truth: the original iPhone was about as minimum-viable as a category-defining hardware product could be. It did only a few things (web browsing, media playback, email) better than anything else on the market, and left out…

> I remember reading once that part of Apple’s success was owed to their shunning of lean principles, that they only ever ship complete, mature products. I think I read that, back when the original Macintosh was being developed, some people from Apple toured a Toyota factory to see how things were done there. Since Toyota pioneered lean , it sounds more like Apple embraced lean principles than that they shunned them.…

I'm using too broad a term there. I should have been saying lean startup principles, as popularized by Eric Ries.

Re: It's called “Ship” not “Shit”

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Post by ggchappell » Thu, Sep 25, 2014, 8:15 PM UTC

mortenjorck wrote: post #22

ggchappell wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I remember reading once that part of Apple’s success was owed to their shunning of lean principles, that they only ever ship complete, mature products. I think I read that, back when the original Macintosh was being developed, some people from Apple toured a Toyota factory to see how things were done there. Since Toyota pioneered lean , it sounds more like Apple embraced lean principles than that they shunned them.…

I'm using too broad a term there. I should have been saying lean startup principles, as popularized by Eric Ries.

Ah, I see. I'd never heard of them or him.

I think I shall now exit this discussion and go enlighten myself.