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Americans abroad are giving up their citizenship as banks shut down accounts

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Re: Americans abroad are giving up their citizenship as banks shut down accounts

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"Steep penalties add muscle to the law. If a foreign bank – not just in Canada, but anywhere – fails to report even a single US citizen as a customer to the IRS, the US Treasury department would withhold 30% of the banks’ US income as penalty."

What do they mean "US income"? How do they enforce it?

Re: Americans abroad are giving up their citizenship as banks shut down accounts

#12
Portugal just ratified the Convention on Mutual Administrative Assistance in Tax Matters. Basically, the convention is an agreement pursuant to which Portugal agrees to use its own courts and police to collect unpaid U.S. taxes from U.S. citizens living in Portugal.

Re: Americans abroad are giving up their citizenship as banks shut down accounts

#13
I'm going through this IRS bullshit -personally-. I was under the impression filing taxes was simple, hell why would they make it complicated.

But nope, if you live abroad it's twice as complicated for an ex-pat.

Worse still, if you're self-employed (like I am) and a freelancer it's ever more paperwork and edge cases to be careful of.

And the cherry on top! Software engineers have a whole different set of tax rules. Fuck you IRS, you greedy pricks.

Re: Americans abroad are giving up their citizenship as banks shut down accounts

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post #5
post #2

So are they policing all the corporations with this law too? Or just Average Joe?

If I understand correctly, the law is aimed at banks to disclose assets of americans with more than 50k in savings, the banks are overreacting and not handling accounts of any americans as a result. So I wouldn't say the law targets the average Joe (I know very few average Joes with $5k in savings, let alone $50k), but the banks are. Perhaps its a calculated move to get people upset with the IRS/Treasury to create ba…

"the banks are overreacting"

Really? The USA is considering everything as under its jurisdiction, but the banks are overreacting?

Re: Americans abroad are giving up their citizenship as banks shut down accounts

#15
The underlying problem behind all of this is that the USA's policy on taxing non-resident citizens is, fundamentally, absurd.

As a permanent resident, it's the one thing that gives me pause about applying for citizenship (I know that the same rules apply to me whilst I'm a permanent resident, but I'm concerned about what happens in the future if I decide to leave the USA).

Re: Americans abroad are giving up their citizenship as banks shut down accounts

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Random question: If you had dual citizenship (e.g. Canadian + US), do you even need to tell a bank about your US citizenship when opening an account? Can't you just open it as if you were a Canadian only? Even your US SSN wouldn't be associated with it, so for all the US G and the bank know you're just someone with the same name and birthday. As a random aside: The US Gov is practically the only country in the world…

> If you had dual citizenship (e.g. Canadian + US), do you even need to tell a bank about your US citizenship when opening an account?

If they bank (or its parent) wants to be able to do business in the US, yes.

This is part of the same overreach as insisting data resident in an Irish data centre, belonging to an Irish entity, is subject to the US courts in violation of Irish and EU law.

Re: Americans abroad are giving up their citizenship as banks shut down accounts

#17

"Steep penalties add muscle to the law. If a foreign bank – not just in Canada, but anywhere – fails to report even a single US citizen as a customer to the IRS, the US Treasury department would withhold 30% of the banks’ US income as penalty." What do they mean "US income"? How do they enforce it?

What benefit do banks get for being multi-nationals exposed to every country's laws instead of just doing one bank per country? I thought that this was the norm for regular businesses.

Re: Americans abroad are giving up their citizenship as banks shut down accounts

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It seems like expat Americans need a political lobbying group to watch their interests. It would seem like large, international companies might have at least a passing interest too, as they might want at least some fraction of american staff to be posted internationally.

Re: Americans abroad are giving up their citizenship as banks shut down accounts

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As a citizen of Uruguay I find the last paragraph very funny: “I feel about the same obligation to file US tax papers as you would if the supreme court of Uruguay all of a sudden decided you were a citizen and had to file a tax return there,” he tells the Guardian. By the way, Uruguayan citizenship is VERY easy to acquire. American expatriates (and dollars :) ) welcome here :) Edit: easy as in requirements. There's a…

Can I still maintain my US citizenship as an Uruguayan citizen if I so choose?
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