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Australian Government Scrambles to Authorize Mass Surveillance

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you mean by this?

He means that people have to wade through a seething froth of semi-coagulated blood, hair, and brains while on their morning commute. Obviously due to the extreme terrorist threat arising in Australia to warrant such an equally extreme response as streamlining mass surveillance. /sarcasm

It's true. I was late for work today but at least I got a seat on the train.

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post #5

I find it greatly concerning that laws are passed with such haste, and then justified by very recent events. To clarify, the two recent events which seem to be frequently cited by the law makers is: * An anti-terrorism raid across two states, which charged one person and questioned several others. This happened a couple of weeks ago. * A tragic incident in which an 18yo stabbed two police officers and then was shot d…

Yeah, Nah. Abbot just learnt what a 'False Flag' operation was and is trying it out so he can feel like a big boy.

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For the record, the recent 'terrorist threats' involved an apparent plan to kidnap random citizens off the street and behead them on camera, then send the footage to ISIS for subsequent release.

The raid to stop said threats involved ~800 police officers across multiple states. Its result? Two people charged, with only one having anything to do with terrorism.

Just about every ounce of effort was put in to drumming it up as 'averted disaster at the last moment', yet very little effort was (probably intentionally) made to mention that the mobilsation of over 800 police resulted in the arrest of exactly 1 person on terrorism-related charges.

This is undoubtably an opportunistic move on the back of marginal news. It's a travisty and it will pass without much debate because both parties give approximately no care whatsoever about preserving individual freedoms and privacy, and every care about eroding those rights for increased capacity to monitor and police the public.

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post #18

So Bill Shorten (the leader of the opposition) is my member of parliament. I've written him to ask that he helps to slow the process down and read the recommendations of the joint committee. Not sure what more I can do here :/

Here is all you need to know about government and opposition in "times like these" - a satirical piece from The Shovel: Labor Party To Close Down Until After Iraq War: http://www.theshovel.com.au/2014/09/23/labor-party-to-close-... On hearing the news, Prime Minister Tony Abbott said, “Until this war concludes, we’ll just have two parties saying the same thing, so it makes sense to put one away for now”. Labor leader…

the idea that the opposition actually needs to oppose every proposal by the government in power is what leads to the current situation in the US congress.

When it comes to certain thing people happen to agree.

If the government came out against eating babies, does the opposition have to start taking a literal interpretation of Swift?

(I am not saying that the Iraq War is "obviously right", I'm just saying that cooperation in government is a possible thing)

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post #12

Surely it's inevitable that everything will be surveiled. The quicker we realise this and "encrypt all the things" the better. What's the point in fighting legislation when you can solve the problem with technology? If the technology doesn't exist now then this stupid legislation should spur it on.

>>What's the point in fighting legislation when you can solve the problem with technology?

Because encryption can be made illegal.

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post #18

So Bill Shorten (the leader of the opposition) is my member of parliament. I've written him to ask that he helps to slow the process down and read the recommendations of the joint committee. Not sure what more I can do here :/

Here is all you need to know about government and opposition in "times like these" - a satirical piece from The Shovel: Labor Party To Close Down Until After Iraq War: http://www.theshovel.com.au/2014/09/23/labor-party-to-close-... On hearing the news, Prime Minister Tony Abbott said, “Until this war concludes, we’ll just have two parties saying the same thing, so it makes sense to put one away for now”. Labor leader…

> Here is all you need to know

4 sentences

I mean, I know some love to think that a blog / tv show full of snarky jokes gives a hint of political driving forces behind decisions, or, you know, anything political in the slightest

but they don't, they are just snarky jokes

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post #11

I am not normally one to put on a tin foil hat, but all the events of the last week seem so orchestrated that it is hard not to be cynical. Security agencies facing the sunsetting of powers granted after 9/11 "suddenly" discover all these threats the very same week that laws are due to be voted on. There seems to be almost no evidence against individuals raided, only one arrest and that on the basis of some intercept…

"all the events of the last week seem so orchestrated that it is hard not to be cynical" Uh... make that the last 51 years. If you only just noticed, you're not paying attention. And I only say 51 years from picking an arbitrary point (JFK assassination) for when the deep state's evil ways became really obvious. "If the people were to ever find out what we have done, we would be chased down the streets and lynched."…

> This observation reveals the mentality of cynicism which infests the US Federal control structures, and the reality that these structures regard the American people with total contempt.

Yeah, I wouldn't call plans to brainwash and mind-fuck 330 million people a "mentality of cynicism". Contempt is not quite enough either. How about "evil, malicious hostility"?

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Prime Minister Abbott needs to whip up hysteria and panic to try to distract people from his government's incredibly poor performance and disastrous budget. A nice solid war along with deep fear mongering should regain control of the media message. I simply don't believe we are under threat of attack from knife wielding beheading terrorists. The poor kid who died the other day was probably just mentally ill but its t…

Wow. You just can't make that shit up.. unless, of course, you're the government and making it all up :)

Re: Australian Government Scrambles to Authorize Mass Surveillance

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post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here is all you need to know about government and opposition in "times like these" - a satirical piece from The Shovel: Labor Party To Close Down Until After Iraq War: http://www.theshovel.com.au/2014/09/23/labor-party-to-close-... On hearing the news, Prime Minister Tony Abbott said, “Until this war concludes, we’ll just have two parties saying the same thing, so it makes sense to put one away for now”. Labor leader…

> Here is all you need to know 4 sentences I mean, I know some love to think that a blog / tv show full of snarky jokes gives a hint of political driving forces behind decisions, or, you know, anything political in the slightest but they don't, they are just snarky jokes

You don't think it's an accurate remark about how dangerous it is politically to oppose a war drummed up to drive fear into the public? About how major parties lock step in times like these?

"Soft on terrorism", "Can't defend our shores", etc. Huge political risk to work against what's happening.

Re: Australian Government Scrambles to Authorize Mass Surveillance

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post #24
post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here is all you need to know about government and opposition in "times like these" - a satirical piece from The Shovel: Labor Party To Close Down Until After Iraq War: http://www.theshovel.com.au/2014/09/23/labor-party-to-close-... On hearing the news, Prime Minister Tony Abbott said, “Until this war concludes, we’ll just have two parties saying the same thing, so it makes sense to put one away for now”. Labor leader…

the idea that the opposition actually needs to oppose every proposal by the government in power is what leads to the current situation in the US congress. When it comes to certain thing people happen to agree. If the government came out against eating babies, does the opposition have to start taking a literal interpretation of Swift? (I am not saying that the Iraq War is "obviously right", I'm just saying that cooper…

Not dismissing that. It's more a comment of locking step as a response to fear and war. Too politically risky not to. I commented slightly up the chain with a little bit more.
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