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This email may be worth millions of dollars in sales

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Re: This email may be worth millions of dollars in sales

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I've never had anyone ask for discount for my SaaS (BugMuncher), nor has anyone ever complained about the pricing. Should I take this as a sign to put my prices up?

Careful there. Read about Netflix: http://www.forbes.com/sites/theyec/2011/12/28/5-business-les...

I've just skimmed that article, but I seem to remember Netflix attempted to force the price hike on current users. I would always grandfather existing users, keeping them at their current price. Hell, I've still got people paying just $10 / month from when I first launched.

Re: This email may be worth millions of dollars in sales

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If I got an e-mail like this, I'd most likely go with the competitor. > The FooCorps's of the world have spent a couple decades now in a the race to the bottom and it shows. I have no doubt you can get their product (or a whole raft of others) for a few bucks cheaper than us. AKA. "Our competition suck and it shows." > Our product, Acme, is different. Of course. > Look, FooCorp's customers are switching to Acme in dr…

You would make a business decision based on the tone of an email?

Not solely on that, but of course I would. I actively avoid doing business with people and companies that are dishonest or rude. Tone correlates with consciousness and general human decency.

Re: This email may be worth millions of dollars in sales

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

And yet, eventually IBM pulled out of the consumer PC business.

That was a proactive move that turned out quite well for them. They saw that the consumer PC business was going to shrink significantly over the next 10 years, so they sold off while the price was still high. I don't think anyone in their right mind is second guessing IBM's decision to get out of the PC business. In hindsight, it was a great move executed with perfect timing.

Completely agree.

But they took this decision because they saw that the superior quality of their product(which having owned older Thinkpads I can say it's true) wasn't profitable enough when competing with lower cost "good enough" alternatives.

Re: This email may be worth millions of dollars in sales

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Maybe this is due to lack of context, but with all that "designed to improve your company performance in the critical area" and "investing heavily in great customer service and innovation" that email sounds terribly enterpriesey to me. It all could be boiled down to a one-liner in spirit of "Sorry, but we can't offer our services any cheaper. Our prices are indeed higher, but the services are better than competitors…

> "Sorry, but we can't offer our services any cheaper. Our prices are indeed higher, but the services are better than competitors and we actually provide more value per price unit. Please, take this into consideration."

Ok, but why can't you offer your services any cheaper? How, specifically, is your service better than your competitors?

These are the answers that the letter attempts to provide.

Re: This email may be worth millions of dollars in sales

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I do this all the time, and it always works. Just today someone asked for a discount, and I wrote a similar email to this one, explaining why we don't give discounts, our products are great value, etc. I did offer them an extra 1 month trial for free, as they were just starting a new business, and they were very happy with that and will probably become a long-term customer. I think people are just programmed to ask f…

Price is itself a signal of value. If a company is constantly willing to give deep discounts, it signals that they themselves don't believe that their value proposition is very good.

Quite a few companies refuse to offer discounts at all, or tie their discounts to some logical system (like discounting for volume). Over time this supports their own story about how valuable their product or service is. This is why you almost never see current-gen Apple products sold for less than MSRP.

For the engineers reading this: yes, it's pure marketing. But to survive, a company needs sales, and marketing helps achieve sales because humans are emotional, irrational creatures.

Another nice aspect of avoiding discounting is that customers who demand big discounts up front often tend to be pains in the butt when it comes to support. Being willing to let a few of those folks "get away" might be beneficial in the long run.

Re: This email may be worth millions of dollars in sales

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I do this all the time, and it always works. Just today someone asked for a discount, and I wrote a similar email to this one, explaining why we don't give discounts, our products are great value, etc. I did offer them an extra 1 month trial for free, as they were just starting a new business, and they were very happy with that and will probably become a long-term customer. I think people are just programmed to ask f…

I would like to swap "people" in your sentence for "americans". It's a cultural thing, not a human thing.

Actually, it is mostly Indian customers who seem to automatically ask for a discount, and they generally aren't too bothered when they don't get it. As another comment pointed out, bargaining is a way of life in India, so this shouldn't be too surprising.

American customers usually have a reason for asking for a discount ("do you have educational discounts" or "we're just a startup").

Generally larger businesses don't ask for any discounts, although that could just be because my prices are low for them.

Re: This email may be worth millions of dollars in sales

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Maybe this is due to lack of context, but with all that "designed to improve your company performance in the critical area" and "investing heavily in great customer service and innovation" that email sounds terribly enterpriesey to me. It all could be boiled down to a one-liner in spirit of "Sorry, but we can't offer our services any cheaper. Our prices are indeed higher, but the services are better than competitors…

> "Sorry, but we can't offer our services any cheaper. Our prices are indeed higher, but the services are better than competitors and we actually provide more value per price unit. Please, take this into consideration." Ok, but why can't you offer your services any cheaper? How , specifically, is your service better than your competitors? These are the answers that the letter attempts to provide.

But it doesn't provide them. The way it attempts to do so is:

Why can't you offer your services any cheaper? Because our competition sucks and we're different.

How, specifically, is your service better than your competitors? Because we say it is, and since the problem you're trying to solve is a high money multiplier, if you believe that we're even a tiny little bit better than the competitor, the gains you'll get by chosing us will greatly outweight the marginal cost you have to pay us over our competitors.

Re: This email may be worth millions of dollars in sales

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The only fly in this sales-technique ointment are the customers whom you convince, then in-turn expect the world from you because they chose "value" over "price". When customers pay a premium, their expectations are much higher, and unhappiness can set in if you don't manage these well.

This might not be something sales can control, but be careful in the claims you make during the sales process as some customers are listening and will be holding you to your promises.

Re: This email may be worth millions of dollars in sales

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This thread is really interesting. You can see a bunch of engineering types doing their best to slice and dice this from a million logical angles. I would have done the same 20 years ago when I launched my product and went out there to sell it.

The difference? I was honest enough to recognize I was going to approach sales as an engineer. I got help in the form of experienced non-engineer sales people tutoring me by going on sales calls with me and doing review sessions after every sales call.

The first two quarters sucked. It took me about three months to truly stop thinking as an engineer and another three to optimize my style, delivery and approach. We closed the third quarter with over $600K in sales, most of which I was responsible for.

I would eventually hire sales and marketing people so I could devote more time to engineering. I felt it was important to understand the sales process by becoming a sales and marketing person myself (for about two years on and off) before staffing thise positions. I have always been glad I took that approach. We engineers are great about building products but absolutely suck at selling.

The letter that is the subject of this thread isn't fantastic. That said, it achieved several things all the engineers on HN are ignoring:

- Made a sale! Do not underestimate the importance and power of cash in the bank!

- It deprived a competitor of revenue. Every dollar you take away from your competition is a dollar that goes towards potentially taking them out of the race, particularly with low price sellers.

- It was compelling enough to take someone who was on the fence and flip him to the point of having him write a blog post about the experience

- It probably created a long term believer and evangelist for their brand, product and price model

- It confirmed that this tactic works. They can use it with new potential customers, evolve and fine tune it. They might also consider integrating aspects of this message in other marketing efforts.

- It revealed that the competitor's low price position is tenuous at best

- It started a relationship with a new customer in a very positive tone. If nurtured this could lead to more sales from word of mouth

- Because of some of the above their cost of customer aquisition is likely to reduce over time

I could probably add to this. The point is that most of the criticism here is misplaced. This letter isn't genius. It doesn't have to be. It only has to be effective. That, it is.

I don't expect everyone to get this. In typical engineer/HN fashion this will be sliced, diced and down-voted from a million of irrelevant angles. That's OK. I get it. The interesting thing is, regardless of what is said here, that letter still made a sale and accomplished all I have highlighted and more.

Re: This email may be worth millions of dollars in sales

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would like to swap "people" in your sentence for "americans". It's a cultural thing, not a human thing.

Actually, it is mostly Indian customers who seem to automatically ask for a discount, and they generally aren't too bothered when they don't get it. As another comment pointed out, bargaining is a way of life in India, so this shouldn't be too surprising. American customers usually have a reason for asking for a discount ("do you have educational discounts" or "we're just a startup"). Generally larger businesses don'…

Larger businesses don't ask for discounts... before they purchase the product. They ask for discounts when it's actually time to pay up and they've started using the service.
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