Israel’s N.S.A. Scandal

Post by jostmey » Tue, Sep 23, 2014, 10:15 PM UTC

ronreiter wrote: post #54

jostmey wrote: post #37

I think this is the most damning leak to date. There is no justification for freely giving information to Israel. And the part about people's porn habits being tracked is even scarier. That could be used to discredit virtually anyone (well, any male at least). Who hasn't visited an embarrassing porn website at least once in their life ? Now imagine your name being publicly associated with that website.

There is justification, it's a co-operation between Israel and the U.S. Just like the US helps Israel, Israel helps the US.

Post by pstuart » Tue, Sep 23, 2014, 10:41 PM UTC

idlewords wrote: post #29

CamperBob2 wrote: post #22

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Accompanying one of his later document releases, Snowden himself said: In the need to develop a capacity to know what potential enemies are doing, the United States government has perfected a technological capability that enables it to monitor virtually all message traffic. Now, that is necessary and important to the United States as we look abroad at enemies or potential enemies. We must know, at the same time, that…

You can't expect reforms made in the seventies to constrain intelligence agencies indefinitely. The Church Committee imposed real, effective limits on domestic surveillance that it took the best part of three decades to weasel out of. Why not do it again, and do it more regularly? You seem to be arguing that because the Church Committee didn't fix the problem of government overreach once and for all, it accomplished…

Post by [deleted] » Tue, Sep 23, 2014, 10:43 PM UTC

bengrunfeld wrote: post #75

mkawia wrote: post #64

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Don't think the solution to people who is to monitor these people or atleast not entirely. You make it sound like the just out of nowhere choose to blow themselves ,like it's in the DNA . There's an atmosphere of hate and oppression ,as long as that exists ,there will always be terrorist. No amount of spying will solve that ,9/11 was planned by a bunch of guys in a basement . Data mining my porno history won't stop g…

So on a hike once with my unit, a bedouin who was irrigating his field with a tractor simply turned it on us and tried to run us down. He failed, miserably I might add, but it proves the point that Arabs will often attack Jews with no advance warning. There are many more example of this.

Post by dllthomas » Tue, Sep 23, 2014, 11:05 PM UTC

colordrops wrote: post #86

ronreiter wrote: post #54

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There is justification, it's a co-operation between Israel and the U.S. Just like the US helps Israel, Israel helps the US.

Co-operation between countries still requires that laws are followed. You can't just send the private data of your citizens to foreign nationals. That is unequivocally against the law and could even be interpreted as treason.

Post by snarfy » Tue, Sep 23, 2014, 11:12 PM UTC

dllthomas wrote: post #87

colordrops wrote: post #86

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Co-operation between countries still requires that laws are followed. You can't just send the private data of your citizens to foreign nationals. That is unequivocally against the law and could even be interpreted as treason.

"could even be interpreted as treason." That seems far-fetched. Edited to add: Just to be clear, "not treason" doesn't mean "good"; "not deplorable"; or even, necessarily, "not deserving of the death penalty" - it just means "not treason".