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Tech salary insights from 1.2M foreign worker visas

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Re: Tech salary insights from 1.2M foreign worker visas

#11
Most interesting takeaway for me is that salaries weren't significantly higher in SF in 2013. As someone living in NYC I always imagined moving to SF/Silicon Valley would give me a big pay bump.

Also one thing to note here: these are 'Labor Condition Applications', not actual salaries. Often they are one and the same, but (for example) they do not include pay rises. I've ended up being paid more than every LCA I've had since I've been in the US.

Re: Tech salary insights from 1.2M foreign worker visas

#12
We're not in a salary bubble. If anything, it's the opposite.

I've analyzed the hell out of this "salary bubble" issue (or non-issue, because there is no such thing) at length.

http://michaelochurch.wordpress.com/2014/05/24/whats-a-mid-c...

http://michaelochurch.wordpress.com/2013/11/03/software-engi...

Re: Tech salary insights from 1.2M foreign worker visas

#14
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According to the data here, salaries for "Senior software engineer" in both SF and NYC are lagging rental inflation over the last 5 years. Does this jibe with reality? Is the data bad, or are engineers losing ground?

The prevailing wage data does not necessarily reflect what people are actually paid. It is the minimum required salary for the company to be able to apply for a labour certification on behalf of a foreign worker. It is obviously in the company's interest to commit to the lowest salary the DOL will let them get away with for a given level of worker.

There is another potential effect: as part of the labour certification process, the company is required to post up the applications of all foreigners it is hiring in a "prominent location" for around two weeks, to make sure all other employees are aware of it. It can be rather awkward to post up an LCA with a number on it that is significantly higher than what others in the company are getting.

My experience has been that many people are paid significantly more than the prevailing wage on the application. As mentioned, this is also just the base rate, without bonuses or equity.

I would say this analysis is useful for drawing comparisons between companies and observing trends, but less useful for the absolute numbers.

Re: Tech salary insights from 1.2M foreign worker visas

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According to the data here, salaries for "Senior software engineer" in both SF and NYC are lagging rental inflation over the last 5 years. Does this jibe with reality? Is the data bad, or are engineers losing ground?

Got a 17% rent bump on peninsula. Seems rents are in fact rising faster than salaries for tech workers and for non-tech workers this kind of inflation must be unimaginable!

Re: Tech salary insights from 1.2M foreign worker visas

#17
One confounding factor not considered here is the number of "senior" engineers with less than 4yr work experience. Seriously, title inflation is just as rampant if not more in the tech sector than wage inflation. So how do you account for Senior Engineer vs here's a job we'll just add this nice title to.

Re: Tech salary insights from 1.2M foreign worker visas

#19

Why are tech salaries so low? Especially from these companies with large profit margins and huge revenue per employee numbers. It seems like engineers have captured almost nothing of the fruit of their labors.

That's low to you? Wow. Just wow.

Over here in Europe (or at least Germany) salaries are incredibly uniform (doesn't really matter if you suck or get as much done in a day as others in 1-2 weeks; if your bugs get constantly reopened or your code is rock-solid), and most people seem to get maybe 35-50k€ after graduation (diploma/master's degree).

Re: Tech salary insights from 1.2M foreign worker visas

#20

Engineers are just middle class who didn't get screwed. The real bubble is in the medical industry and Wall Street and it's not gonna pop any time soon.

Some would say that the medical industry isn't seeing a bubble, as much of the inflation in prices and salaries is going straight to the insurance companies - so the real bubble is in Wall Street and Wall Street.
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