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A Site That Teaches You to Code Well Enough to Get a Job

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Re: A Site That Teaches You to Code Well Enough to Get a Job

#11
It's a nice site and everything, but who is this aimed at?

It doesn't seem to be non-coders as far as I can tell.

1. You need to already have a github account

2. The setup assumes you have CLI experience

3. The setup assumes you use linux or a mac (because all non-programmers do that)

So has wired misunderstood the target audience, or is the site comically anti-n00b?

Re: A Site That Teaches You to Code Well Enough to Get a Job

#12
post #5

Based on many of the people I've worked with "well enough to get a job" is a pretty low bar to clear.

these comments are always discouraging to me. i work in a different field (sysadmin), and i've been struggling to get a job programming. am i that bad at programming? or that bad at finding work? i feel like i know the basics of several languages as well as html, css, sql and git. i wrote an IT-ticket system for a healthcare clinic in python consisting of a basic html form and a SQL database backend (i know this isn'…

Do you have a good github account? Most (decent) employers will probably take this in lieu of a technical interview.

You have to remember that its not just them testing you - it's you testing them. As a newbie coder you want to be in a good team where you can learn good practices from solid performers.

I mean put it this way - if you were in a team and everyone was at a low skill level, do you think you'd get a good time of things from sales/marketing/all the other stakeholders?

Re: A Site That Teaches You to Code Well Enough to Get a Job

#13
post #5

Based on many of the people I've worked with "well enough to get a job" is a pretty low bar to clear.

these comments are always discouraging to me. i work in a different field (sysadmin), and i've been struggling to get a job programming. am i that bad at programming? or that bad at finding work? i feel like i know the basics of several languages as well as html, css, sql and git. i wrote an IT-ticket system for a healthcare clinic in python consisting of a basic html form and a SQL database backend (i know this isn'…

Entry level can be pretty different. They're looking at potential rather than ability and things can be competitive (depending on the specific skills or organisation).

I'm really thinking about programmers with 5 - 10 years of experience who still struggle to reason their way out of a wet paper bag or produce anything but the most obvious and narrowly scoped solution to problems.

Re: A Site That Teaches You to Code Well Enough to Get a Job

#14
The landing page for this site could stand to be improved, especially if it's target is absolute beginners.

* The instructions provided are very Unix specific and assume a reasonable level of familiarity with the command line. Lots of beginners are probably on Windows and not used to using the shell. Much as devs shun them, installable GUI clients have their advantages in this area.

* The language used on the first page is still fairly technical, "test suite" for example.

* How it works is not made clear, "practice problems" is only mentioned once at the top of the page in a hard to read colour and small font.

Re: A Site That Teaches You to Code Well Enough to Get a Job

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post #5

Based on many of the people I've worked with "well enough to get a job" is a pretty low bar to clear.

these comments are always discouraging to me. i work in a different field (sysadmin), and i've been struggling to get a job programming. am i that bad at programming? or that bad at finding work? i feel like i know the basics of several languages as well as html, css, sql and git. i wrote an IT-ticket system for a healthcare clinic in python consisting of a basic html form and a SQL database backend (i know this isn'…

Don't feel bad. The thing is that "good enough to get a job + that's a low bar" means that the people end up way over their heads and usually don't work out. I have interviewed lots of people. Some needed jobs badly. They came in, knowing HTML/CSS + enough jQuery to make a pretty web page, and were applying for a systems architect position. We obviously rejected them, but lots of companies cannot tell between truly qualified people and those that are not. This works both ways: lots of unqualified/underqualified people get hired and then you hear stories like "you won't believe what my co-worker did", but it also means that qualified candidates do get passed up.

Basically, don't get discouraged, and don't worry about others getting jobs. Just keep getting better at what you do, and most importantly work on projects that you can show off. I found that these where the best way to get noticed/get hired.

Re: A Site That Teaches You to Code Well Enough to Get a Job

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post #5

Based on many of the people I've worked with "well enough to get a job" is a pretty low bar to clear.

these comments are always discouraging to me. i work in a different field (sysadmin), and i've been struggling to get a job programming. am i that bad at programming? or that bad at finding work? i feel like i know the basics of several languages as well as html, css, sql and git. i wrote an IT-ticket system for a healthcare clinic in python consisting of a basic html form and a SQL database backend (i know this isn'…

What is your background? I know that for a lot of corporate type gigs HR is really more concerned with whats on your CV than what your actual skills are. For many, a good GPA in a programming related program will get you an interview and the rest is soft skills. So, I feel like if your background isn't directly programming related then you really have to look for smaller companies/startups or via recommendations.

Re: A Site That Teaches You to Code Well Enough to Get a Job

#17

The landing page for this site could stand to be improved, especially if it's target is absolute beginners. * The instructions provided are very Unix specific and assume a reasonable level of familiarity with the command line. Lots of beginners are probably on Windows and not used to using the shell. Much as devs shun them, installable GUI clients have their advantages in this area. * The language used on the first p…

I'm also a little unclear on the why the site leans in a fairly technical direction. I think I'm going to try it out later so that I can get a feel for what's actually required to get going. I really like evaluating these sites to find tools to integrate into our(my company's) training program.

Re: A Site That Teaches You to Code Well Enough to Get a Job

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post #5

Based on many of the people I've worked with "well enough to get a job" is a pretty low bar to clear.

these comments are always discouraging to me. i work in a different field (sysadmin), and i've been struggling to get a job programming. am i that bad at programming? or that bad at finding work? i feel like i know the basics of several languages as well as html, css, sql and git. i wrote an IT-ticket system for a healthcare clinic in python consisting of a basic html form and a SQL database backend (i know this isn'…

Start by always using the correct spelling, grammar, and capitalization. Get a senior developer to look over your code samples and give you feedback, then make sure to have a project out there that people can see and you can link to.

Re: A Site That Teaches You to Code Well Enough to Get a Job

#19
post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

these comments are always discouraging to me. i work in a different field (sysadmin), and i've been struggling to get a job programming. am i that bad at programming? or that bad at finding work? i feel like i know the basics of several languages as well as html, css, sql and git. i wrote an IT-ticket system for a healthcare clinic in python consisting of a basic html form and a SQL database backend (i know this isn'…

None of the languages you listed are technically programming languages (I guess PowerShell could be considered one, but it's more for automation rather than programming actual applications). Maybe you're using the wrong terminology during your interviews.

oh definitely, i meant that i knew the basics of python, ruby, and javascript, as well as the other technologies (non-programming languages, as you said).

Re: A Site That Teaches You to Code Well Enough to Get a Job

#20
post #7

I've had fun doing the haskell challenges. I really like the peer review aspect of it and the git style terminal submissions. But these are just small practice problems and are not geared towards "Teaching you to code well enough to get a job". It's just one of many helpful ways to learn the ins and outs of a particular language.

> It's just one of many helpful ways to learn the ins and outs of a particular language.

That's actually all it takes to get a job programming. Maybe not any job, but certainly a job.

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