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Depression and feeling like an outsider

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Re: Depression and feeling like an outsider

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My 2 cents Jonathan - I've done this, and it might help, but I don't know you (yet) so maybe not:

There's people who make you feel better, and others who make you feel worse. Spend more time with the former, and less time with the latter. One by one, more people like Michael will help you realize you that you belong.

Yes for screaming! There was a super-dark time in my life where I literally did not know where to go. I was in my car, on some off road, being totally crazy and screaming and crying out loud. Did I have a choice? Actually no, it was unbearable. I don't know what would have happened if I didn't have a safe place to go wild in this way. After this, I was glad to know someone to call then.

Re: Depression and feeling like an outsider

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1. try an antidepressant, keep taking it without changing the dosage. try this for at last one year. 2. when you feel down and you're feeling worse and worse, try going out and walking for at least 15 or 45 min, or find something to do. breathe. don't stay in one place. don't let immobility and routine drown you. if you can do something that can make you move and make memories, you should do it. depression is a brain…

Walking 45 minutes is a free medicine. Hills especially, by the time you reach the top, the euphoria may already be there, in sync with the view. Quite pretty. Forests aren't bad either.

Wow, I thought I was the only one who felt that exact way. Luckily I live in Yorkshire, UK, where there's beautiful windswept hills aplenty.

Re: Depression and feeling like an outsider

#35
post #34

I wonder which community he was referring to that he felt so alienated from. Some communities have a lot of cynicism built into it for some reason.

I recognize the writer from an excellent talk he gave on C extensions at BostonRB not too long ago. He struck me as a really talented and smart guy.

Re: Depression and feeling like an outsider

#36
Having treated thousands of patients with depression, I appreciate the courage it takes for the author to "open up" about his experience during an episode of depression.

Adding to the other comments made, I'd emphasize major depression is a serious illness, every bit as "physical" as other diseases. It's a leading cause of disability worldwide, and affects >8% of the American population any given year. The economic burden of depression in the US is truly staggering: costing the nation nearly $200 billion a year.

Depression often responds to one or more forms of treatment. Medications can often help but significant side effects are a risk. Psychotherapies, CBT and interpersonal therapy have proven effect. Exercise, nutritional factors, light exposure, social support have all been shown to be beneficial to some degree.

The most important thing to do is seek competent help from one or more resources. There is no simple or singular "answer" to a hugely complex problem. There's no recipe or formula that will work the same in any two people.

Treatment has to be "custom fit" for each person, that is the art of medicine in the real world. Finding what works may not be quick or easy, but the effort usually pays off. No cure is promised, but most patients do make progress.

Success may not be easy, but I am stubborn, insist on keeping at it, using every tool at our disposal, and say "it's not a failure until we stop trying".

Re: Depression and feeling like an outsider

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1. try an antidepressant, keep taking it without changing the dosage. try this for at last one year. 2. when you feel down and you're feeling worse and worse, try going out and walking for at least 15 or 45 min, or find something to do. breathe. don't stay in one place. don't let immobility and routine drown you. if you can do something that can make you move and make memories, you should do it. depression is a brain…

While I agree with most of what you've said here, I disagree with #5.

Feeling shitty because life is shitty, that's not depression, that's normal. "Depression is normal in our era because bad things are happening to everyone" is like saying "Well, schizophrenia is normal in our era, because sometimes weird things happen that you can't explain". The symptoms may be similar, but that doesn't make it the same thing.

Re: Depression and feeling like an outsider

#38
I can speak to you as a black guy in tech ... and just let you know that what you're feeling is not weird. Being black in tech can be very isolating, and being an entrepreneur can be much much worse, I know because I've been there.

I've know the feeling of going to conferences and having to be super friendly and way more jovial than you feel is normal just to get conversations going, all the while feeling like a phony inside. I know how it is to have coworkers stop inviting you to lunch after a while not realizing, that from the outside you've been excluded from a 'clique'. I know the feeling of people either thinking you're not friendly and avoiding you, or that you don't know shit and avoiding you, or worse being patronizing to you.

I remember trying to be friendly with everyone and having people kinda just ... ignore me. It hurts and can make you retract into a shell. At work, that makes things worse, because then you get tagged as "not a team player"

It can really really suck, but what you have to do is not let that beat you and make a strong effort to go and find people that you can get along with and cleave closely to them. The gift of the situation is that you can actually get some really close friends, because people that vibe with you probably don't vibe that well with others in your field. They'll probably share the same frustrations and fears as you and they'll look out for you.

So pick your head up and go back out there and do it all over again, don't stop doing what you're doing, but instead of spreading yourself thin trying to befriend everyone, think of yourself as an acquired tast. Be more selective with the people you approach, try to build the deep friendships that will first help you not feel isolated. then from there you can go on to just be yourself, and everything should just work out.

cheers

Re: Depression and feeling like an outsider

#39
Generally speaking, tech groups are not as friendly as non-tech groups. I'd recommend getting involved with some non-tech groups. There are so many worthy causes to volunteer for. And, if that's not your thing, there are plenty of groups that are all about having fun. In any case, don't rush to judgement on any group. I've found that if you show up enough times to a group's events, then you will be seen as a "regular", and that means many people in the group will be much friendlier towards you. I'm suggesting that you try lots of things, and don't rush to any conclusions. There have been plenty of instances in my life where I thought about quitting an activity, and today I'm so glad I didn't. Our world contains people who are able to climb Mount Everest. You might be shocked to find out how vast your capabilities really are.

Re: Depression and feeling like an outsider

#40
Blaming your lack of fitting in on being black, and buying into this bullshit your head is telling you is your real problem.

I've felt the exact same way you describe in this post, but instead of "black", insert "short", "ugly", or any number of excuses I can come up with for why I don't fit in, and people don't like me, and it's not fair, and it's everyone else's fault. Bullshit. People aren't friendly to you because as a severely depressed person, you're probably a real bummer to be around. You probably look awkward, uncomfortable, and generally unapproachable.

You need to stop blaming society for your isolation and start working on shifting your shitty perspective. Some things that have helped me immensely are exercise and mindfulness meditation. Talking about your feelings helps too - as long as the people listening aren't just going to co-sign and feed into the depressive, self-pitying garbage that you're spitting out.

P.S. Feel free to contact me if you want to change.

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