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Re: 6 Reasons to Use Netbeans IDE

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Post by shapov »

meddlepal wrote: post #40
dozzie wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't ask "how to configure its editor to use vi-like mappings", I asked "how can I replace the editor". Mere clone will not have even one third of the features and functions I use every day. NetBeans' editor is shitty not because it's not vi-like, but because it lacks plenty of editing functions fully featured Vim has.

Can you educate us on what those features are?

Emulating vi keybinding is great and all, but that only scratches the surface. A big reason people like vim is the extensibility. I don't think that there is a single vi user(not necessarily a power user, but someone who uses vim for more than just editing a value in a config file) who doesn't have a single plugin installed.

Re: 6 Reasons to Use Netbeans IDE

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Post by pjmlp »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #20
pjmlp wrote: post #19

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> You name it, Emacs can handle it. - Graphics tooling. - GUI designer - Semantic refactoring - Graphic visualization of CSS modes - Integration of JavaScript frameworks with code-completion support and two way editing between CSS, HTML and JavaScript code - Graphical visualization of data structures in debugger - Graphical support of heap data and threads in debugger - ...

- Graphics tooling - to some extent, yes. You can even edit videos with Emacs. - GUI designer - not really, but you're likely to be using a framework-specific GUI builder anyway. Then again, if you really wanted it, you could probably twist the artist-mode hard enough to draw mockups in it and save them as XML descriptions. - Semantic refactoring - CEDET. - Graphic visualization of CSS modes - Rainbow Mode, or just o…

I have been an avid Emacs user between 1996 and 2005 when working on UNIX systems. At the same time, I have used lots of different IDEs across multiple OS and languages, starting with Turbo Pascal 4.0.

In no way is Emacs a match for what modern IDEs are capable of.

Your list just shows lack of understanding in what they are capable of.

Nowadays Emacs is just when I cannot make use of an IDE.

Re: 6 Reasons to Use Netbeans IDE

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Post by pjmlp »

zak_mc_kracken wrote: post #25
pjmlp wrote: post #14

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It helps being the official Solaris IDE.

They both come from the same company so it's not exactly a testament of quality, just corporate strategy.

Sure, but Sun (now Oracle) could have chosen just to support Java.

So it was a good decision to give support to C and C++ developers as well.

Re: 6 Reasons to Use Netbeans IDE

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Post by pjmlp »

th3iedkid wrote: post #7

One of the other good things with Netbeans is using it as a platform like in rich clients. We have developed some quick and good tools on this platform and it seems to work out neatly on our overall structure.

Nokia replaced some Motif applications by Netbeans based ones in some of their products for network operators.

Re: 6 Reasons to Use Netbeans IDE

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Post by TeMPOraL »

pjmlp wrote: post #42
TeMPOraL wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

- Graphics tooling - to some extent, yes. You can even edit videos with Emacs. - GUI designer - not really, but you're likely to be using a framework-specific GUI builder anyway. Then again, if you really wanted it, you could probably twist the artist-mode hard enough to draw mockups in it and save them as XML descriptions. - Semantic refactoring - CEDET. - Graphic visualization of CSS modes - Rainbow Mode, or just o…

I have been an avid Emacs user between 1996 and 2005 when working on UNIX systems. At the same time, I have used lots of different IDEs across multiple OS and languages, starting with Turbo Pascal 4.0. In no way is Emacs a match for what modern IDEs are capable of. Your list just shows lack of understanding in what they are capable of. Nowadays Emacs is just when I cannot make use of an IDE.

It's been almost ten years from 2005. Have you looked at Emacs since then? It's still being developed and improved.

Anyway; you asked if Emacs can handle this and that, I provided examples. I don't see how my list reflects on any kind of understanding apart from knowing my package ecosystem and how to use Google.

Would you mind sharing what do you think in particular sucks at Emacs compared to an IDE you use, that you have tested on both to come to this conclusion?

Re: 6 Reasons to Use Netbeans IDE

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Post by meddlepal »

shapov wrote: post #41
meddlepal wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you educate us on what those features are?

Emulating vi keybinding is great and all, but that only scratches the surface. A big reason people like vim is the extensibility. I don't think that there is a single vi user(not necessarily a power user, but someone who uses vim for more than just editing a value in a config file) who doesn't have a single plugin installed.

Great! Except you haven't told me anything about Vi(m) does that Netbeans, Eclipse or IDEA cannot do. We have powerful plugins too! I promise!

Re: 6 Reasons to Use Netbeans IDE

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Post by dozzie »

meddlepal wrote: post #40
dozzie wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't ask "how to configure its editor to use vi-like mappings", I asked "how can I replace the editor". Mere clone will not have even one third of the features and functions I use every day. NetBeans' editor is shitty not because it's not vi-like, but because it lacks plenty of editing functions fully featured Vim has.

Can you educate us on what those features are?

Folding wherever I want, not wherever editor allows (i.e. not limited to blocks defined by syntax). Using Perl scripts in the same way as other commands. Passing the current file through awk. You have plugins for NetBeans or Eclipse, where I don't even need to think how to enable that -- I just run an external command. Quick and easy (no mouse) splitting window to see three or four files at the same time (or other fragment of current file). And many others that I take for granted, so they don't come to my mind at the moment.
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