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Ask HN: How to help get more women in tech as a male?

#1
There's been a groundswell over the past few years of organizations dedicated to helping get more women into tech, along with other STEM fields. Usually, though, these organizations are for women BY women. As a male, it feels like it would be considered white knighting, or condescending, to try and offer help to these organizations, or to attempt to start something on my own.

I'm looking for your thoughts on what I can actually do to help this movement. Any real-world experience would be greatly appreciated.

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#2
I'm a male, I attend three Meetup events that are focused on Women/Entrepreneur. I asked the organisers first if it would be cool to attend - to avoid whiteknighting, I've been declined permission from others.

When attending I work hard to spend more time listening, hard for me, I love my voice. Sometimes I relate stories how I would handle jerk coworkers or push for things I want in the workplace. Feedback shows me that assertive women get called names :(

This condescending behaviour is core issue that keeps women as 2nd class. You don't need an organisation to work on the solution.

My new favourite hobby is to clown the shit out of males when I hear their verbal diarrhoea. It works great. I get to take the moral high-road and insult some dumbass for the entertainment of those around me. Win,win,win.

In our office gender, religious, ethnicity insults, or condescending actions or language is taken seriously. Eg: telling someone to "stop being a bitch" or a "that's gay" comment means you're buying lunch - a $200 offence. 3 strikes and you're out.

So basically I'm saying: be excellent to each other and mock ignorance at the top of your voice.

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#3
The problem with getting women into tech is that so few women finish school with a tech degree, so no matter what you do, there's going to be a huge imbalance until this changes. It's very difficult to change career later in life, for both men and women.

I think the greatest benefits come from getting girls excited about STEM careers, but this is a much longer term approach. I'm really dismayed at the peer pressure I see in school that steers boys and girls in different directions, since this is something you have to fight at home and de-program your children. Get your daughters a microscope, telescope, computer, whatever. Use it with her, show her all the cool stuff in the world and talk about how it works. Don't go for "girl-friendly" approaches, since IMO, those are condescending. Treat her like a curious little scientist, not little Suzie homemaker with a science hobby.

Having kids, it really pisses me off that people say boys are "smart, strong", and that girls are "cute, friendly". Freaking double standard.

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#5
1. Give money to organizations that are doing the work you want to support

2. Get your company to give money

3. Speak out when you see sexism

4. When you are hiring, specifically reach out to women tech organizations (I have a women's college in my town with a CS dept -- I made friends with the Dean and some profs -- I send intern and job openings to them)

I think that there's work that you can do to increase the number of women applicants, so I do it. By the way, these things help to increase diversity along other dimensions, which you should also do.

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#6
Mindset is important, shift your thinking from White Knight to Strategic Agility.

Recruiting women to your team or company can be a huge competitive advantage, especially given the growing importance of diversity and global markets. Keep an eye out for the most talented women-- they will be your secret weapon.

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#7
post #4

Get married, have kids, invest in their lives and share with them your passion for technology. If you have daughters, they may choose tech.

My wife and I have chosen not to have children - for reasons personal to us. That's why the outreach aspect (if I can't pass the torch along to my own, I want to pass it off to someone) is big to me.

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The problem with getting women into tech is that so few women finish school with a tech degree, so no matter what you do, there's going to be a huge imbalance until this changes. It's very difficult to change career later in life, for both men and women. I think the greatest benefits come from getting girls excited about STEM careers, but this is a much longer term approach. I'm really dismayed at the peer pressure I…

I'm not sure why this is such a problem; a tech degree isn't necessary to be successful as a software developer. It may not even be all that helpful.
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