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Re: How evolutionary psychology went viral

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> But EP has not gotten us any closer to understanding “human nature.” Instead, its provocations about gender have distracted us from what is truly interesting—and radical—about Darwin. Several EP scholars argue that human nature was fixed in the Pleistocene Era, that modern culture is merely a flimsy cover for our cave-dweller minds. But a great deal of evidence suggests that evolution occurs at a much faster rate t…

> But more importantly, while the "frozen at the Pleistocene" approach is false - and already known to be false, no serious scientist believes that literally nothing changed since - it is also true to large extent. The Pleistocene is a huge amount of time, and in the short amount of time following it humanity diverged quite a bit - yet, we find humans extremely similar, mentally. From aboriginal Australians to Africans to Europeans to native Americans, mentally humanity is extremely close. That is very strong support that while clearly evolution continued after the Pleistocene, major things were already set by then.

While this is undoubtably true, this is one aspect of the criticisms of EP where I can understand where they are coming from. This is due to the history of EP. I do capitalize EP to distinguish the strain of psychological thinking and research primarily flowing from a relatively small group of researchers who owe much of their intellectual heritage to researchers at UC Santa Barbara from the generic view of placing psychological findings into an evolutionary perspective.

The critics were right that EP is _basically_ rebranded sociobiology. Now sociobiology flamed out very quickly due to the backlash that EO Wilson received after the publication of his book Sociobiology in the mid 1970s. No only had adaptationist perspectives in biology not entirely taken hold, there were numerous academic disciplines almost fundamentally opposed to the idea that culture (and humanity) was not entirely arbitrary. Hell, in 1983 after Derek Freeman published his debunking of Margaret Mead's claims about the Samoan people, the American Anthropological Association passed a motion declaring his work unscientific and _irresponsible_.

This milieu where EP formed was absolutely toxic to any claims about a (universal) biological influence on behavior and held nearly to an axiom that talk of genetic variation which influences behavior was inherently racist, sexist, etc. Take the controversy over the Bell Curve, published in 1994. The entire book, save one chapter, dealt with claimed genetic factors which influence behavior that broke down by class or socioeconomic status. A lone chapter dealt with race. Yet the initial controversy and the book's legacy is that of being racist. Nevermind the fair more numerous claims about the role genetics played in arranging people into social and economic classes. The mere mention of biological variation influencing behavior was a tactical move that virtually no scientist would touch.

With this backdrop, EP was developed. Honestly, marginal scientists trudging away in the relative backwoods of academia began to synthesize a perspective on human nature that took our biological past seriously. The obvious route, and probably the most common route, focused on human universals. Anyone with a basic understanding of biology will understand the general thesis of this strain of EP. All humans everywhere dealt with a shared set of problems: (1) finding food and shelter to survive (classic selection) and (2) finding a mate so that you can pass you genes to the next generation (sexual selection). There are derivative issues which arise from our shared experience like being able to cooperate with non-kin to form basic societies or being able to detect cheaters in all realms where there is a risk of someone being a free rider.

Taking these basic claims about shared human experience, you can begin to apply them in slowly expanding circles to many facets of human behavior and psychology. But the core will always be about human universals. There will always be variation, but they are variations on universals. This is precisely why many who are unversed in the actual work of EP have the instinctual worry about EP focusing too much on the Pleistocene. The Pleistocene is a safe refuge for a perspective that develops in a hostile intellectual climate. It is also tactically a wise strategy. Focus on universals to gain credibility like say with David Buss's 1989 paper "Sex differences in human mate preferences: Evolutionary hypotheses tested in 37 cultures". Go broad or become smeared.

As you say, there is unlikely any researcher in EP who gives any sort of credence to the notion that our psychology was 'frozen in the Pleistocene', but especially historically, there was little place else to go. Beyond that, there are mounds of fascinating findings which only need to focus on how much our psychology has _not_ adapted that it has kept researchers busy for quite some time.

That intellectual heritage along with the fact that the gold standard in EP (legitimate cross cultural work) is extraordinarily hard and expensive combined with our infantile understanding of genetics makes doing serious work in understanding the ways that post-Pleistocene environments have shaped our psychology very, very difficult indeed.

Re: How evolutionary psychology went viral

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> If an explanation fit all current observations and predicted future experiments why is it not correct? In order for anything to count as a "future experiment" with respect to something that takes as long as evolution does, the predicted phenomena would have to occur at least thousands of years from now, and you would have to control for all the socio-economic-cultural-political differences between now and then. Whi…

>The only thing EP has going for it, on the other hand, is a bunch of surveys, small-N experiments, and beloved-by-Cosmopolitan stereotypes about the contemporary courting behavior of affluent, predominantly white college students. There is other evidence also. EP for example would suggest males would tend to massacre their neighbours and grab their females as this would be a genetic benefit. To study that experiment…

It's very difficult to avoid sampling bias and confirmation bias when you're looking for historical and contemporary events that seem to fit your curve. What about all the men throughout history who didn't massacre their neighbors? How do you control for massive confounding factors such as religious brainwashing, economic circumstances, poor education, and individual idiosyncrasies?

Re: How evolutionary psychology went viral

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The only thing EP has going for it, on the other hand, is a bunch of surveys, small-N experiments, and beloved-by-Cosmopolitan stereotypes about the contemporary courting behavior of affluent, predominantly white college students. There is other evidence also. EP for example would suggest males would tend to massacre their neighbours and grab their females as this would be a genetic benefit. To study that experiment…

It's very difficult to avoid sampling bias and confirmation bias when you're looking for historical and contemporary events that seem to fit your curve. What about all the men throughout history who didn't massacre their neighbors? How do you control for massive confounding factors such as religious brainwashing, economic circumstances, poor education, and individual idiosyncrasies?

> It's very difficult to avoid sampling bias and confirmation bias when you're looking for historical and contemporary events that seem to fit your curve.

"Looking for historical and contemporary events that seem to fit your curve" seems to be the definition of deliberate confirmation bias.

Re: How evolutionary psychology went viral

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He's verifying his ability to use the terminology of science to justify and legitimate his personal biases about other human beings and the way the world works. Limited sets of data aka personal anecdotes. The plural of anecdote and all that. Unfortunately, as science becomes the hegemonic source of authority in our world, pseudo-science becomes the preferred language for demagoguery and bullshit. The greatest crime…

Here's the simplest and most convincing argument I've heard to not dismiss evo psych. The development of male features in foetuses is triggered by a massive release of testosterone. The second stage of gendered differentiation, puberty, is similarly driven by the release of sex hormones in both men and women. Noticeably, adolescent boys with a malfunctioning endocrine system do not display typical male features (lowe…

When I'm skeptical of evo psych, I am not arguing that gender or sex hormones have no effect on the brain. That would be silly... there's abundant evidence that they do.

What I'm being skeptical about is that we can take that all the way out to surface characteristics and then make blanket statements, or that we can concoct untestable fables based in current evolutionary models and then use those to justify those blanket statements.

There certainly is gender dimorphism (the right term) in humans, but it's also very hard to separate genes/development, environment, and culture. It's also very hard to go from the cellular and hormonal level all the way up to, say, how people tend to behave in job interviews.

The reason I get so skeptical in these areas is that history teaches us that human beings will rationalize their prejudices using whatever system of belief they find around them. Historically that's usually been religion, hence it use to rationalize gender and racial stereotypes. Now we live in a scientific age (supposedly), so we should be on guard for pseudoscientific attempts to do the same with scientific-sounding language. Indeed the "social Darwinists" were on that beat a century ago already. So whenever I smell an attempt to explain or justify a social prejudice or a class system, my skeptic hat goes on.

That was rambling... need coffee..

Re: How evolutionary psychology went viral

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The only thing EP has going for it, on the other hand, is a bunch of surveys, small-N experiments, and beloved-by-Cosmopolitan stereotypes about the contemporary courting behavior of affluent, predominantly white college students. There is other evidence also. EP for example would suggest males would tend to massacre their neighbours and grab their females as this would be a genetic benefit. To study that experiment…

It's very difficult to avoid sampling bias and confirmation bias when you're looking for historical and contemporary events that seem to fit your curve. What about all the men throughout history who didn't massacre their neighbors? How do you control for massive confounding factors such as religious brainwashing, economic circumstances, poor education, and individual idiosyncrasies?

True. Difficult but even if there's some bias you can still get useful data I think. There are things that do not fit well with the basic evolutionary psychology model such as homosexuality. You'd think, using the EP model, that genes corresponding to that would die out however there are a few gay guys out there which suggests you might look for other explanations. Just to say it's not the case that you can find experimental evidence for all EP type hypotheses. Some fit, some don't.

Re: How evolutionary psychology went viral

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NB I haven't read the article; I try to keep it tech related at work. NB I'm male, white, 31 years old, born poor, raised isolated, computers brought me out of poverty, and people--specifically women--brought me out of isolation. Geeks are my original people, my first clan. I believed that The (dial up, text based) Internet was the great equalizer--that it was a medium which made it impossible to see race or sex or c…

Totally crazy tangent but: I don't understand misogynistic guys who say awful things about how dumb / shallow / whatever women are and then in the next breath talk about their sexual interest in them. I mean... if I thought all those demeaning things about women, I'd have a tough time being sexually interested in one. I'd have to go asexual or gay.

I say that women are dumb/shallow/whatever all the time. I'm sexually attracted to those that are not. (I also say that men are dumb/shallow/whatever all the time, so I'm not sexist, just an asshole, and exaggerating a bit). :)
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