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Re: Apple – Privacy – Government Information Requests

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Post by tomp »

donkeyd wrote: post #86
xkiwi wrote: post #66

Finally those numbers of iPhone activation and mac sold are useful. #1 Mac unit sales http://www.macworld.com/article/2062821/apple-by-the-numbers... 2010 @ 13662k 2011 @ 16735k 2012 @ 18158k 2013 @ 16341k Total = 64,896,000 #2 iPhone unit sales http://www.statista.com/statistics/232790/forecast-of-apple-... I only take the number from 2013 & 2014 because Apple trend to upgrade fast. 2013 @ 53.6 Million, 2014 @ 63.2…

To put this in context: 0.2% of women and 0.01% of men become rape victims every year. So the chance you get raped in the next year is 27 times bigger than the chance Apple disclosed your data to the government. Seems like we have worse things to worry about...

I'm not sure where you got this data, but probably it doesn't include the prisoners that were victims of rape (where the gender ratios would probably be quite different).

Re: Apple – Privacy – Government Information Requests

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Post by donkeyd »

tomp wrote: post #91
donkeyd wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To put this in context: 0.2% of women and 0.01% of men become rape victims every year. So the chance you get raped in the next year is 27 times bigger than the chance Apple disclosed your data to the government. Seems like we have worse things to worry about...

I'm not sure where you got this data, but probably it doesn't include the prisoners that were victims of rape (where the gender ratios would probably be quite different).

That might be true, but it wouldn't change much about my point, so I don't really care...

Re: Apple – Privacy – Government Information Requests

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Post by downandout »

"On devices running iOS 8, your personal data such as photos, messages (including attachments), email, contacts, call history, iTunes content, notes, and reminders is placed under the protection of your passcode. Unlike our competitors, Apple cannot bypass your passcode and therefore cannot access this data"

This is key. The way we engineer software and services can have a major impact on the war against overly invasive government requests. We know that these requests will come; it's our responsibility to design things in a way that protects customers from our legal obligations when confronted with them to the greatest extent possible.

While this certainly serves their own interests, kudos to Apple for baking this type of consideration into the basic iOS design. They should and will be financially rewarded for it.

Re: Apple – Privacy – Government Information Requests

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Post by imaginenore »

downandout wrote: post #93

"On devices running iOS 8, your personal data such as photos, messages (including attachments), email, contacts, call history, iTunes content, notes, and reminders is placed under the protection of your passcode. Unlike our competitors, Apple cannot bypass your passcode and therefore cannot access this data" This is key. The way we engineer software and services can have a major impact on the war against overly invas…

All it takes is one secret court order to force them to leak the key to NSA.

They control the OS, they DO have access to everything.

Re: Apple – Privacy – Government Information Requests

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Post by downandout »

imaginenore wrote: post #94
downandout wrote: post #93

"On devices running iOS 8, your personal data such as photos, messages (including attachments), email, contacts, call history, iTunes content, notes, and reminders is placed under the protection of your passcode. Unlike our competitors, Apple cannot bypass your passcode and therefore cannot access this data" This is key. The way we engineer software and services can have a major impact on the war against overly invas…

All it takes is one secret court order to force them to leak the key to NSA. They control the OS, they DO have access to everything.

Not if they designed it properly. That's like saying that all makers of encryption software can, if they really want to, access all data encrypted with their software.

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Post by rakoo »

downandout wrote: post #93

"On devices running iOS 8, your personal data such as photos, messages (including attachments), email, contacts, call history, iTunes content, notes, and reminders is placed under the protection of your passcode. Unlike our competitors, Apple cannot bypass your passcode and therefore cannot access this data" This is key. The way we engineer software and services can have a major impact on the war against overly invas…

Yet there's no way to be sure of that...

Re: Apple – Privacy – Government Information Requests

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Post by adventured »

ddebernardy wrote: post #88
allegory wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think people are outraged at both. With the companies in question, it's not hard to vote with your feet and complain. With the government, it's very difficult.

You get the government you vote for.

You get the government the majority of voters vote for.

Re: Apple – Privacy – Government Information Requests

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Post by NamTaf »

mkal_tsr wrote: post #21

Yet no comment from them about what being a "provider" under PRISM entails. * "In addition, Apple has never worked with any government agency from any country to create a “back door” in any of our products or services." If Apple provides an interface to request user-data to law enforcement / NSA, that's not a back door in the product or the service . * "We have also never allowed any government access to our servers.…

You're forgetting that for all the Snowden leaks have revealed, the info in the press about Prism is still classified. IANAL, but I would imagine Apple could get smacked quite a bit if it started talking about its cooperation (not necessarily voluntary cooperation, that is) with NSA initiatives like Prism.

I mean when the wikileaks cable dump came out, there was quite a bit of noise about how US government people should not visit the site because it would still constitute a breach of security even though it was in the public domain, and that they could lose their jobs for it. This is no different, really. The material is still classified whether it's spread all over the press or not, so discussing it with uncleared persons such as the public would (IANAL, again) I imagine be a breach of security.

Re: Apple – Privacy – Government Information Requests

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Post by kristofferR »

downandout wrote: post #93

"On devices running iOS 8, your personal data such as photos, messages (including attachments), email, contacts, call history, iTunes content, notes, and reminders is placed under the protection of your passcode. Unlike our competitors, Apple cannot bypass your passcode and therefore cannot access this data" This is key. The way we engineer software and services can have a major impact on the war against overly invas…

The quote is extremely misleading. Sure, it's encrypted by your passcode, and that's great.

It's important to note however that the passcode is just 4 digits long by default, and could be bruteforced by Apple in milliseconds if they wanted to. So to say that "Apple cannot bypass your passcode" is misleading, as guessing it is absurdly easy.

http://www.slideshare.net/alexeytroshichev/icloud-keychain-3...

Re: Apple – Privacy – Government Information Requests

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Post by imaginenore »

downandout wrote: post #95
imaginenore wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All it takes is one secret court order to force them to leak the key to NSA. They control the OS, they DO have access to everything.

Not if they designed it properly. That's like saying that all makers of encryption software can, if they really want to, access all data encrypted with their software.

Of course they can. All you have to do is leak passwords/private keys.

An OS is actually much more powerful, it controls everything, it has direct access to memory. If a user can see his photo, the OS can.

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