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Re: Apple – Privacy – Government Information Requests

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Post by xkiwi »

valleyer wrote: post #75
xkiwi wrote: post #66

Finally those numbers of iPhone activation and mac sold are useful. #1 Mac unit sales http://www.macworld.com/article/2062821/apple-by-the-numbers... 2010 @ 13662k 2011 @ 16735k 2012 @ 18158k 2013 @ 16341k Total = 64,896,000 #2 iPhone unit sales http://www.statista.com/statistics/232790/forecast-of-apple-... I only take the number from 2013 & 2014 because Apple trend to upgrade fast. 2013 @ 53.6 Million, 2014 @ 63.2…

(116800000+64896000)*0.00385/100 == 6995 Source: http://verizonmath.blogspot.com

#3 iTunes users

http://www.digitalmusicnews.com/permalink/2014/04/24/itunes8....

800 Million,

#4 ipod users

http://www.statista.com/statistics/276307/global-apple-ipod-....

2010 @ 50.31 Million

2011 @ 42.62 Million

2012 @ 35.17 Million

2013 @ 26.38 Million

Total = 154,480,000

#5 Apple Laser Printer user

#6 Apple magic mouse user

#7 Apple Newton user

#8 Apple PowerBook user

#9 Apple MacBook user

#9 Apple Xserve user

Yes I made a mistake, however this is just a word game from Apple overall.

Re: Apple – Privacy – Government Information Requests

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Post by lmedinas »

zobzu wrote: post #29

"Unlike our competitors, Apple cannot bypass your passcode and therefore cannot access this data" Oh really? Privacy is marketing now.

It's one of the strongest marketing moves nowdays. Imagine the amount of "secure" messengers out there in which you only have a "word" from the company saying that it's secure. But they deliver a full closed source service in which there is no way to believe or not. So marketing works.

Re: Apple – Privacy – Government Information Requests

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Post by allegory »

jwr wrote: post #63
mkal_tsr wrote: post #21

Yet no comment from them about what being a "provider" under PRISM entails. * "In addition, Apple has never worked with any government agency from any country to create a “back door” in any of our products or services." If Apple provides an interface to request user-data to law enforcement / NSA, that's not a back door in the product or the service . * "We have also never allowed any government access to our servers.…

I find it amusing that people are being outraged at Apple, instead of being outraged at their government. From outside the US, it looks like it became generally accepted that the NSA will spy on US citizens all it wants, unchecked, and there is nothing anyone can do about it. Instead, all the rage is getting directed at companies that disclose the information to NSA.

I think people are outraged at both.

With the companies in question, it's not hard to vote with your feet and complain. With the government, it's very difficult.

Re: Apple – Privacy – Government Information Requests

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Post by geekbeast »

seanflyon wrote: post #73
geekbeast wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Open source client libraries providing end-to-end encryption and zero knowledge search, would enable a functional e-mail system that operates without any server held keys. You could still NSL a backdoor, but if the service is open source at least there's a chance of the code being audited.

End-to-end encryption will improve things but it is still only as secure as your key management. For email to be convenient you need an easy way to get you friend's public key and easy ways are hard to make secure.

Agreed.

Without a trust the only thing that comes close is an in person P2P pairing ceremony.

Key management might work in an enterprise setting with a central authority, but making sure your friend's public key isn't swapped with the government's is pretty hard if you don't trust the cloud provider, telecom, or intermediate infrastructure.

Re: Apple – Privacy – Government Information Requests

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Post by enneff »

Drakim wrote: post #69
jwr wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find it amusing that people are being outraged at Apple, instead of being outraged at their government. From outside the US, it looks like it became generally accepted that the NSA will spy on US citizens all it wants, unchecked, and there is nothing anyone can do about it. Instead, all the rage is getting directed at companies that disclose the information to NSA.

Often it seems like the people want businesses to take up the fight for privacy, rather than the people themselves.

And why not? Businesses, through lobbying, essentially control the US government.

It's not unreasonable that American citizens might feel more empowered voting with their dollars than with ballot papers.

Re: Apple – Privacy – Government Information Requests

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Post by donkeyd »

xkiwi wrote: post #66

Finally those numbers of iPhone activation and mac sold are useful. #1 Mac unit sales http://www.macworld.com/article/2062821/apple-by-the-numbers... 2010 @ 13662k 2011 @ 16735k 2012 @ 18158k 2013 @ 16341k Total = 64,896,000 #2 iPhone unit sales http://www.statista.com/statistics/232790/forecast-of-apple-... I only take the number from 2013 & 2014 because Apple trend to upgrade fast. 2013 @ 53.6 Million, 2014 @ 63.2…

To put this in context: 0.2% of women and 0.01% of men become rape victims every year. So the chance you get raped in the next year is 27 times bigger than the chance Apple disclosed your data to the government. Seems like we have worse things to worry about...

Re: Apple – Privacy – Government Information Requests

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Post by donkeyd »

[deleted] wrote: post #67
xkiwi wrote: post #66

Finally those numbers of iPhone activation and mac sold are useful. #1 Mac unit sales http://www.macworld.com/article/2062821/apple-by-the-numbers... 2010 @ 13662k 2011 @ 16735k 2012 @ 18158k 2013 @ 16341k Total = 64,896,000 #2 iPhone unit sales http://www.statista.com/statistics/232790/forecast-of-apple-... I only take the number from 2013 & 2014 because Apple trend to upgrade fast. 2013 @ 53.6 Million, 2014 @ 63.2…

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Absolute numbers are useless... Pretty much any statistic put into absolute numbers ends up being a stunning number of people.

Re: Apple – Privacy – Government Information Requests

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Post by ddebernardy »

allegory wrote: post #83
jwr wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find it amusing that people are being outraged at Apple, instead of being outraged at their government. From outside the US, it looks like it became generally accepted that the NSA will spy on US citizens all it wants, unchecked, and there is nothing anyone can do about it. Instead, all the rage is getting directed at companies that disclose the information to NSA.

I think people are outraged at both. With the companies in question, it's not hard to vote with your feet and complain. With the government, it's very difficult.

You get the government you vote for.

Re: Apple – Privacy – Government Information Requests

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Post by matt-attack »

x0x0 wrote: post #41
zaroth wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The desire for privacy, and a healthy dose of suspicion for ones government, have both existed for as long as the notion of government itself. Personally, I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop. Now that the police can't go to Apple for your data, we'll start seeing more judges ordering users to unlock their phones to allow them to be searched. I don't think it will be long before such a case reaches SCOTUS, and then…

I am no lawyer. While lower court decisions have gone both ways, according to wikipedia, in United States v. Doe, the United States Court of Appeals for the Eleventh Circuit ruled on 24 February 2012 that forcing the decryption of one's laptop violates the Fifth Amendment [1] So there is hope. Perhaps a more practical problem is even with a 5 digit pin, it's entirely possible to simply try all combinations. You proba…

> even with a 5 digit pin, it's entirely possible to simply try all combinations

Given a long time. Don't forget iOS slows your brute-force attempts down substantially. I'd be curious how long a brute-force attack would take given the current behavior of the OS.

Re: Apple – Privacy – Government Information Requests

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Post by seanhandley »

Drakim wrote: post #69
jwr wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find it amusing that people are being outraged at Apple, instead of being outraged at their government. From outside the US, it looks like it became generally accepted that the NSA will spy on US citizens all it wants, unchecked, and there is nothing anyone can do about it. Instead, all the rage is getting directed at companies that disclose the information to NSA.

Often it seems like the people want businesses to take up the fight for privacy, rather than the people themselves.

Explain to me how businesses aren't people ?
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