The author makes some really good points about the quackery in EP. But at no point are the merits of some of these theories even mentioned. Take for example the proposition that women are attracted to older men. If it was found that all current human cultures and other mammals exhibited this behavior you could begin to think that this behaviour is grounded in biology. > Evolutionary psychology does draw on empirical…
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How evolutionary psychology went viral
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Re: How evolutionary psychology went viral
#22[1] http://francoistremblay.wordpress.com/2014/08/29/evolutionar...
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#23NB I haven't read the article; I try to keep it tech related at work. NB I'm male, white, 31 years old, born poor, raised isolated, computers brought me out of poverty, and people--specifically women--brought me out of isolation. Geeks are my original people, my first clan. I believed that The (dial up, text based) Internet was the great equalizer--that it was a medium which made it impossible to see race or sex or c…
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#24On the one hand, this says that EP is wrong, and on the other, that there is a more radical and more interesting approach, more true to Darwin's thinking.
First, to say "EP has not gotten us any closer to understanding “human nature”" is a joke. At worst, it has at least eliminated some options. But the worst is very unlikely. Even if much of EP is wrong, many of the results appear to be solid. To so discount an entire field of science, done by very smart men and women, is completely unfair.
Second, the hint at a more "true-to-Darwin" approach of faster evolution, seems odd - just an attempt to say "EP is wrong, and boring - check this out!" First, if evolution is faster than we expected, then EP will adjust to that. It already has - we now know that things like lactose tolerance arose quite recently, and mental traits would not be surprising as well. Faster evolution will only make what these critics don't like about EP stronger, not weaker.
But more importantly, while the "frozen at the Pleistocene" approach is false - and already known to be false, no serious scientist believes that literally nothing changed since - it is also true to large extent. The Pleistocene is a huge amount of time, and in the short amount of time following it humanity diverged quite a bit - yet, we find humans extremely similar, mentally. From aboriginal Australians to Africans to Europeans to native Americans, mentally humanity is extremely close. That is very strong support that while clearly evolution continued after the Pleistocene, major things were already set by then.
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#25> Spencer and his followers read Darwin’s On the Origin of Species as a justification for unregulated market competition and colonization. Please. I don't know about Spencer's unnamed "followers", but he was not quite what you would call a fan of the colonialism of his day: > That a government cannot undertake to administer the affairs of a colony, and to support for it a judicial staff, a constabulary, a garrison, a…
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#26> Spencer and his followers read Darwin’s On the Origin of Species as a justification for unregulated market competition and colonization. Please. I don't know about Spencer's unnamed "followers", but he was not quite what you would call a fan of the colonialism of his day: > That a government cannot undertake to administer the affairs of a colony, and to support for it a judicial staff, a constabulary, a garrison, a…
Those quotes make it sound like he's perfectly fine with colonialism, just not particular kinds of colonialism.
> The philosopher Herbert Spencer famously argued that competition among men for survival was not only inevitable but good. [...] In retrospect, it is easy to recognize his theory of nature as an unacknowledged description of nineteenth-century England... It was only natural that colonial regimes brutally extracted resources from Asians and Africans unable to resist their guns. Those who survived at the expense of others were simply proving their own fitness, and their enemies’ weakness.
Or, as I specified in my original comment, "the colonialism of his day".
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#27NB I haven't read the article; I try to keep it tech related at work. NB I'm male, white, 31 years old, born poor, raised isolated, computers brought me out of poverty, and people--specifically women--brought me out of isolation. Geeks are my original people, my first clan. I believed that The (dial up, text based) Internet was the great equalizer--that it was a medium which made it impossible to see race or sex or c…
Let's examine two claims:
1. "Group A is genetically predisposed to different behavior than Group B, to which I belong."
2. "Group A is culturally predisposed to different behavior than Group B, to which I belong."
You claim that making statement (1) indicates that I disbelieve in the personhood of people in Group A. I assume that you do not believe the same about statement (2)--that is, it's possible for me to notice that men are more likely to be murderers without claiming that women aren't people, as long as I accept "culture" as the only explanation for the difference.
I claim that both statements (1) and (2) are compatible with a belief in personhood of people in Group A. And this is much firmer ground, ideologically speaking. If presented with strong evidence of genetic differences between two groups, I am not forced to either deny the evidence or give up and accept that some groups aren't people anymore. I can simply say "even if the two groups are genetically different, this doesn't change a thing: personhood is not determined by someone's genetic similarity to me, people deserve respect, and prejudice is wrong even if it is somewhat predictive." Finally, in a situation where genetics clearly affect behavior or personality--for example, Asperger Syndrome--I don't need to shift around my values to claim that yes, autistic people are still people.
Re: How evolutionary psychology went viral
#28NB I haven't read the article; I try to keep it tech related at work. NB I'm male, white, 31 years old, born poor, raised isolated, computers brought me out of poverty, and people--specifically women--brought me out of isolation. Geeks are my original people, my first clan. I believed that The (dial up, text based) Internet was the great equalizer--that it was a medium which made it impossible to see race or sex or c…
> I gotta ask the people who say that women are different from men: [...] You do know that women are people, right? Like, half the people, 3.5 billion women. Let's examine two claims: 1. "Group A is genetically predisposed to different behavior than Group B, to which I belong." 2. "Group A is culturally predisposed to different behavior than Group B, to which I belong." You claim that making statement (1) indicates t…
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#29NB I haven't read the article; I try to keep it tech related at work. NB I'm male, white, 31 years old, born poor, raised isolated, computers brought me out of poverty, and people--specifically women--brought me out of isolation. Geeks are my original people, my first clan. I believed that The (dial up, text based) Internet was the great equalizer--that it was a medium which made it impossible to see race or sex or c…
I often think that sex differences people perceive are exaggerated and/or misattributed to biology (including, but not limited to, genetics) when they are more likely cultural, but, believing that X (e.g., women) are different (either on average or categorically) from Y (e.g., men) is not inconsistent with believing that X and Y are both subsets of Z (e.g., people.)
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#30NB I haven't read the article; I try to keep it tech related at work. NB I'm male, white, 31 years old, born poor, raised isolated, computers brought me out of poverty, and people--specifically women--brought me out of isolation. Geeks are my original people, my first clan. I believed that The (dial up, text based) Internet was the great equalizer--that it was a medium which made it impossible to see race or sex or c…