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Palantir Pricelist (page 27) [pdf]

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Re: Palantir Pricelist (page 27) [pdf]

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Post by wh1tekn1ght »

peterjancelis wrote: post #60
elblanco wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

eldemar is providing some of the information. I'd add some color the i2 suit. The fraud perpetrated by Palantir was actually so organized and so bad (they set up an entirely fake front company in another state), that the suing company asked the judge for the case to be tried under RICO rules...which are basically rules put in place to fight the mafia. The judge agreed that it qualified under the law (immediately trip…

I'm always surprised how cheap it is to buy politicians. I would expect a company like Palantir to spend much more than 1.1 million on lobbying. Does anybody know how much the 'consultancy fees' to former government officials are in total?

If you think Palantir spends a lot on lobbying, check out how much Boeing, Lockheed, and other multi-billion dollar contracting companies spend on lobbying. $1.1mm is probably what they spend on food in a month.

Re: Palantir Pricelist (page 27) [pdf]

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Post by elblanco »

irremediable wrote: post #77
elblanco wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

there's a fair amount of vendor lock-in in this space as well and Palantir is pretty good at it. They talk quite a bit about open standards and what not. But moving off of their platform and onto one of the competing ones is basically impossible. They've done a fantastic job at disrupting the link-chart market (which is surprisingly robust) and making it seem like customers are buying something else, but at 2-3x the…

I'm not comfortable going one way or another on Palantir, but... > They hide their sales guys as "forward deployed engineers" and obfuscate their sales process to the point where it doesn't seem like you've ever dealt with the kind of sketchy enterprise sales goon you'd deal with from any of their competitors. Really? I've known a couple of forward deployed engineers there, and I assure you, they're not salespeople.

Here's a long thread on just this topic here on Hacker News. One of their senior engineers jumped in to "clarify". It's worth reading the entire exchange.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1461136

I think these days they've deobfuscated the roles a bit. But back during this discussion, they were definitely hiring and mixing in sales people with their "deployed" engineers. Most of these guys would probably be sales engineers somewhere else, relegated to a life of doing canned demos for commission scraps.

It's actually kind of smart from a sales POV, embed your sales guy in the government site, call them engineers and let them have unlimited upsell opportunities.

You've basically tricked your customer to put one of your sales guys on staff.

From a customer POV, when you figure out the guy your paying $300k/yr to have on-site is just triaging issues and calling in real engineers to spot shoot issues, then spending their downtime trying to sell more software inside your organization it's kind of irritating.

Re: Palantir Pricelist (page 27) [pdf]

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Post by pessimizer »

bane wrote: post #76
dreamweapon wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Cool" I guess, if you consider working for the NYPD to be cool. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Eric_Garner [2] https://www.aclu.org/blog/tag/nypd-muslim-surveillance [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop-and-frisk_in_New_York_Cit...

I do. All big organizations do bad things in specific cases and have problems that need to be addressed - the NYPD is no different. For every one of these examples I can point to a hundred cases where some officer put their life on the line to do their job and help do their part to make NYC a decent place to live. To give you an idea of how big the NYPD is as an organization, it's about a third larger than the active…

This conversation is totally beside any point, but stop-and-frisk has happened over 5 million times since 2002 (9 out of 10 leading to nothing), and a community of thousands were monitored based on their religion over a period of years, although it never generated a single lead.

>For every one of these examples I can point to a hundred cases where some officer put their life on the line to do their job and help do their part to make NYC a decent place to live.

Over 500 million times?

http://www.nyclu.org/content/stop-and-frisk-data

Re: Palantir Pricelist (page 27) [pdf]

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Post by mbesto »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #59
elblanco wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've done a bit of work with Palantir. This is basically spot on. They're really cagey about the core/user requirement in real life so I'd be comfortable in saying most customer over purchase cores. They usually staff 2-3 full time guys for every 30-50 people and the implementation takes forever . I know of more than one place that didn't have a working system a full year after purchase. Meaning the maintenance had a…

Sounds... Actually doesn't sound as bad as SAP, Europe's largest software package/manufacturer for... IDK, business software. IIRC, every implementation requires you to hire half a dozen SAP engineers for a decent hourly rate just to set up the system, then keep them on to train and maintain the system.

Former SAP guy here. Yup, on the surface Palantir appears to be cheaper and more specialized. Slightly different business model - Palantir does the software/hardware/implementation whereas SAP focusing mainly on software.

Re: Palantir Pricelist (page 27) [pdf]

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Post by bane »

pessimizer wrote: post #85
bane wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do. All big organizations do bad things in specific cases and have problems that need to be addressed - the NYPD is no different. For every one of these examples I can point to a hundred cases where some officer put their life on the line to do their job and help do their part to make NYC a decent place to live. To give you an idea of how big the NYPD is as an organization, it's about a third larger than the active…

This conversation is totally beside any point, but stop-and-frisk has happened over 5 million times since 2002 (9 out of 10 leading to nothing), and a community of thousands were monitored based on their religion over a period of years, although it never generated a single lead. >For every one of these examples I can point to a hundred cases where some officer put their life on the line to do their job and help do th…

> Over 500 million times?

Yes, congratulations, you know how to multiply. You know it was a figure of speech.

Anybody can make lists of good and bad deeds about an organization and point to why that list exemplifies some preconceived notion you already have.

Here's my list after 2 minutes of barely looking

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/02/nypd-saves-baby_n_4...

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/nypd-hospital-...

http://7online.com/news/exclusive-hero-cop-speaks-out-about-...

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/obama-praises-hero-nypd-...

http://nypost.com/2014/04/10/smoke-from-williamsburg-blaze-s...

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2011/12/13/nypd-hero-cop-kil...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_workers_killed_in_th...

http://www.wnyc.org/story/nypd-includes-officers-died-911-il...

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/610520-hero-cop-dies-nypd-of...

http://www.silive.com/obituaries/index.ssf/2014/03/peter_mcp...

http://www.breaking911.com/hero-nypd-cops-save-man-from-jump...

http://epicvictories.com/nypd-officer-becomes-a-hero-after-h...

Re: Palantir Pricelist (page 27) [pdf]

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Post by dreamweapon »

bane wrote: post #76
dreamweapon wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Cool" I guess, if you consider working for the NYPD to be cool. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Eric_Garner [2] https://www.aclu.org/blog/tag/nypd-muslim-surveillance [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop-and-frisk_in_New_York_Cit...

I do. All big organizations do bad things in specific cases and have problems that need to be addressed - the NYPD is no different. For every one of these examples I can point to a hundred cases where some officer put their life on the line to do their job and help do their part to make NYC a decent place to live. To give you an idea of how big the NYPD is as an organization, it's about a third larger than the active…

For every one of these examples I can point to a hundred cases where some officer put their life on the line to do their job and help do their part to make NYC a decent place to live.

You're changing the subject. The point is, everyone who has lived here for a significant amount of time (and who doesn't have their head in the sand) knows, from direct experience, how profoundly dysfunctional (and disturbingly corrupt) the NYPD is, from the top down.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Schoolcraft

Re: Palantir Pricelist (page 27) [pdf]

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Post by bane »

dreamweapon wrote: post #88
bane wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do. All big organizations do bad things in specific cases and have problems that need to be addressed - the NYPD is no different. For every one of these examples I can point to a hundred cases where some officer put their life on the line to do their job and help do their part to make NYC a decent place to live. To give you an idea of how big the NYPD is as an organization, it's about a third larger than the active…

For every one of these examples I can point to a hundred cases where some officer put their life on the line to do their job and help do their part to make NYC a decent place to live. You're changing the subject. The point is, everyone who has lived here for a significant amount of time (and who doesn't have their head in the sand) knows, from direct experience, how profoundly dysfunctional (and disturbingly corrupt)…

No you're right, the NYPD definitely has its share of problems. Like any police force it needs to be monitored and held accountable. I think both of those functions have not been sufficiently used on the force.

I disagree that they're a dysfunctional and corrupt organization from the top-down. They aren't free from blame, but they aren't some mob of uniformed gangsters either.

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