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Certificate pinning usually (ex: Chrome) is implemented with an exception to allow a company administrator to install a new root CA cert on the device and MITM connections. Does iMessage not allow this?
This Chrome behavior surprised me so I checked the source. Indeed, you are correct. Pin checking is short-circuited if the cert is signed by a root. ` if (!is_issued_by_known_root || !HasPublicKeyPins(host, sni_available)) { return true; } ` https://code.google.com/p/chromium/codesearch#chromium/src/n...
Tim Cook on iMessage Security: It’s Encrypted, and We Don’t Have a Key
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Re: Tim Cook on iMessage Security: It’s Encrypted, and We Don’t Have a Key
#112There is zero control over what public keys get handed over to your phone to encrypt an iMessage with. For all we know, whenever you want to send a message to $USER, your phone gets a public key for $USERs iPhone, her iPad and the NSA master key. Tim Cook can state that they can't decrypt the message all he wants, but as long as there's no control over what public keys we encrypt the message with, the statement that…
Your presumption is that iMessage encryption is useless if the NSA can still read the messages. Speaking for myself, I don't care if the NSA can read my messages. My biggest concern is keeping my private data protected from for-profit corporations like Apple and Google.
Re: Tim Cook on iMessage Security: It’s Encrypted, and We Don’t Have a Key
#113Honestly, I really don't care if they have the key or not. My concern is if they can read my messages. I am more worried about backdoors added to iMessage by Apple. This is known to happen often in Apple products, maybe for the purpose of Development or Support, but it is still there. That is exactly what I want to know. Because if Apple can use that backdoor, a patient hacker can too.
Re: Tim Cook on iMessage Security: It’s Encrypted, and We Don’t Have a Key
#114https://support.skype.com/en/faq/FA31/does-skype-use-encrypt...
Re: Tim Cook on iMessage Security: It’s Encrypted, and We Don’t Have a Key
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Not really. He's pretty clear: "If the government laid a subpoena to get iMessages, we can’t provide it. It’s encrypted and we don’t have a key." There's no wiggle room there. He's not saying we don't have the users key, he's saying categorically they can't provide iMessage information. I don't understand why you think that can be read as they can't get the information through mechanism X but that they can through me…
What is missing is that they can add another key for intercept. They really need to be able to do so to comply with the law. It's well established that the police can intercept communications with a warrant. Many HN posters have an issue with that too, but that is just a hard truth with decades if legal precedence. The issue, IMO, is the warrantless collection part. IMO, iMessages probably protects you against the la…
In terms of what the police and other agencies can request, they have been able to ask for stuff in the past because it was information you had. If someone produces a court order they have to comply with that but there is no way of making you produce information you don't have.
As a result some companies are now setting stuff up so they don't have the sort of information which might be requested.
I may be wrong about this but I'm not aware of any law that says that a company can't do this. Certainly if there is then there are plenty of businesses aimed squarely at this sort of privacy and security which are going to have major issues given that it's basically their USP.
And if a company has to do it then the same law will apply to any individual producing open source software to do the same - any such law would be highly unlikely to be dependent on the product being created and distributed by an incorporated company.
Where there will be a problem (and this is the point Cook was making) is for companies where gathering that data is fundamental to their business. Apple can happily survive without being able to read or track iMessages. Facebook or Google have fewer options when it comes to not recording or storing stuff.
Re: Tim Cook on iMessage Security: It’s Encrypted, and We Don’t Have a Key
#116Honestly, I really don't care if they have the key or not. My concern is if they can read my messages. I am more worried about backdoors added to iMessage by Apple. This is known to happen often in Apple products, maybe for the purpose of Development or Support, but it is still there. That is exactly what I want to know. Because if Apple can use that backdoor, a patient hacker can too.
> This is known to happen often in Apple products, maybe for the purpose of Development or Support, but it is still there. Could you elaborate on this? Are you talking about the development tools that require your phone to be cabled to a laptop?
But if you google it, you'll find more.