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Tramadol Is Not a Natural Product After All

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Re: Tramadol Is Not a Natural Product After All

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Post by CamperBob2 »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #37
80ProofPudding wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. "Organic" is pretty widely abused, too - want to drink some crude oil? It's organic...

Crude oil is [primarily] organic if your context is [petro]chemistry. It's not an organic foodstuff however. Shock, horror, words have contexts which cause them to mean different things. Why is it that you don't wish people to know where their food has come from and how it has been produced. What is the problem with that for you? If you don't care that your children's food is saturated with growth hormones, fungicide…

Can't speak for the GP, but in my case, I object to laws requiring labels on GMO, etc. foodstuffs simply because I don't want to live in California, where literally everything has one or more dire warning labels attached to it. When everything is dangerous, nothing is. The labels end up not being taken seriously, and the consumer ends up less-informed than they otherwise would have been.

Re: Tramadol Is Not a Natural Product After All

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Post by eru »

qnaal wrote: post #32
Igglyboo wrote: post #5

You could easily argue that everything that ever was or will be is natural, not really sure why the word is still used to describe products.

The idea, I think, is that humans have been sharing the planet with everything else for so long that anything especially dangerous that occurs "naturally" is likely to have been already tested- ie "artificial" drugs should be more unpredictable, and therefore potentially more dangerous, than whatever stuff some exotic culture has been fucking with for hundreds of generations (which is pretty much any interesting comp…

Alcohol is natural, and dangerous. But at least we know the long term effects.

Re: Tramadol Is Not a Natural Product After All

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Post by lotsofmangos »

knd775 wrote: post #2

Wait, let me make sure I am understanding this. So Tramadol was given to cattle in such large amounts that it made it into the soil and enough got soaked up by trees that it was thought that Tramadol came from those trees. That is just incredible.

I didn't even know that Frankie Boyle had taken up farming.

Re: Tramadol Is Not a Natural Product After All

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Post by gcb0 »

johndavi wrote: post #4
knd775 wrote: post #2

Wait, let me make sure I am understanding this. So Tramadol was given to cattle in such large amounts that it made it into the soil and enough got soaked up by trees that it was thought that Tramadol came from those trees. That is just incredible.

Once enough is coming up through grassblades then farmers can cease giving it to the cattle directly. The holy grail of Unlimited Tramadol!

Drugs company hates him!

now seriously, where do one find such abundance of opiates to feed cows of?!

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Post by gwern »

knd775 wrote: post #2

Wait, let me make sure I am understanding this. So Tramadol was given to cattle in such large amounts that it made it into the soil and enough got soaked up by trees that it was thought that Tramadol came from those trees. That is just incredible.

This may also be a tribute to the sensitivity of modern chemistry's tests.

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Post by graeme »

silencio wrote: post #77
sillysaurus3 wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would you mind linking to the thread? I know it's been removed, but I'm curious which subreddit that happened in. Also, did anyone ever explain why he was shadowbanned? Only Reddit admins can shadowban someone, and I thought they only issued bans for vote manipulation, not for causing controversy.

> Only Reddit admins can shadowban someone I'm a mod of a default subreddit. We can't shadowban people from the entire site, but we can use AutoModerator to moderate comments and shadowban users in a specific subreddit based on certain criteria (e.g. one day old account with negative comment karma or if account mentions certain keywords) or by manually adding a user to a shadowban list. This is separate from reddit's…

Someone might want to message the mods of whatever subreddit he was banned from. I don't know enough about the situation to feel justified in doing so. But I checked /r/spam, and found this:

http://www.reddit.com/r/spam/comments/2g5k5k/overview_for_db...

Couple of very high karma users who sound like domain experts vouched for him.

That said, it doesn't look like he was shadowbanned sitewide. Most likely an automoderator action. I can still click on his user profile.

Edit: unrelated, but how do you generate a submission history for a user? I'm a mod of a smaller sub, that looks like a useful tool.

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Post by girvo »

duncanawoods wrote: post #26
rjurney wrote: post #15

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I think its stupid they did that, but then I do remember widespread use of "Tromol" in Moscow. People would take it in high doses and veg out for days at a time.

Is this is the same Tramadol that is incredibly addictive and kills people if they taper off too quickly? Why wouldn't you want some hoops for this? I was prescribed it after I broke a leg in judo. I was shocked when I looked it up and found forums rife with addicts in great distress.

It's not as addictive as other opiates. It is physically addictive though, yes.

Opiate withdrawals don't kill you, although you'll want to die; Tramadol has a weird secondary set of effects that act like an SSRI/anti-depressant, so you get both the opiate withdrawal symptoms as well as SSRI discontinuation syndrome symptoms which is a very unpleasant combination.

It's a decent painkiller, but like any opiate based pain medication has potential for abuse.

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Post by bayesianhorse »

gcb0 wrote: post #84
johndavi wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Once enough is coming up through grassblades then farmers can cease giving it to the cattle directly. The holy grail of Unlimited Tramadol!

Drugs company hates him! now seriously, where do one find such abundance of opiates to feed cows of?!

Tramadol seems to be relatively cheap to produce, and has all sorts of uses beyond just pain medication.

Re: Tramadol Is Not a Natural Product After All

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Post by glifchits »

mendelk wrote: post #73
GigabyteCoin wrote: post #66

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I highly doubt that a doctor who was receiving massive traction on reddit would stoop so low as to fake-upvote his own article.

> massive traction For an example of one accused of such see [0] [0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unidan

I know HN likes making endnotes and 0-based indexing... but this seems excessive
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