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Tramadol Is Not a Natural Product After All

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Re: Tramadol Is Not a Natural Product After All

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Post by Igglyboo »

sp332 wrote: post #6
Igglyboo wrote: post #5

You could easily argue that everything that ever was or will be is natural, not really sure why the word is still used to describe products.

Hydrogen, oxygen, and nitrogen are natural. But this arrangement of the atoms does not occur unless humans want it to. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tramadol

Yes that's what I'm saying, "unless humans want it to" still qualifies as natural. Humans are natural and a part of nature and so anything they create is as well.

If a beehive or beaver dam is considered natural then so is the empire state building, all three were created by animals native to this planet.

Re: Tramadol Is Not a Natural Product After All

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Post by 80ProofPudding »

alexjeffrey wrote: post #9
Igglyboo wrote: post #5

You could easily argue that everything that ever was or will be is natural, not really sure why the word is still used to describe products.

more importantly, the use of "natural" to describe a product with the implication that it being synthetic would be a bad thing is a fallacy.

Agreed. "Organic" is pretty widely abused, too - want to drink some crude oil? It's organic...

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Post by telecuda »

Tramadol recently became more regulated as a controlled substance and now requires patients to jump through more hoops (pain management visits, drug tests, etc.) to obtain. Source: Family member on Tramadol and http://www.businessinsurance.com/article/20140818/NEWS08/140...

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Post by rjurney »

alexjeffrey wrote: post #9
Igglyboo wrote: post #5

You could easily argue that everything that ever was or will be is natural, not really sure why the word is still used to describe products.

more importantly, the use of "natural" to describe a product with the implication that it being synthetic would be a bad thing is a fallacy.

Still, there is something nice about a chemical appearing in nature. Gives evidence that it doesn't do batshit crazy things to life.

Re: Tramadol Is Not a Natural Product After All

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Post by rjurney »

telecuda wrote: post #13

Tramadol recently became more regulated as a controlled substance and now requires patients to jump through more hoops (pain management visits, drug tests, etc.) to obtain. Source: Family member on Tramadol and http://www.businessinsurance.com/article/20140818/NEWS08/140...

I think its stupid they did that, but then I do remember widespread use of "Tromol" in Moscow. People would take it in high doses and veg out for days at a time.

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Post by teekert »

alexjeffrey wrote: post #9
Igglyboo wrote: post #5

You could easily argue that everything that ever was or will be is natural, not really sure why the word is still used to describe products.

more importantly, the use of "natural" to describe a product with the implication that it being synthetic would be a bad thing is a fallacy.

Exactly, cyanobacteria are also natural as is tobacco. One can synthesize many natural products in purer and safer forms.

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Post by Igglyboo »

rjurney wrote: post #14
alexjeffrey wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

more importantly, the use of "natural" to describe a product with the implication that it being synthetic would be a bad thing is a fallacy.

Still, there is something nice about a chemical appearing in nature. Gives evidence that it doesn't do batshit crazy things to life.

Cyanide occurs naturally.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyanide#In_nature

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Post by teekert »

rjurney wrote: post #14
alexjeffrey wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

more importantly, the use of "natural" to describe a product with the implication that it being synthetic would be a bad thing is a fallacy.

Still, there is something nice about a chemical appearing in nature. Gives evidence that it doesn't do batshit crazy things to life.

Because no naturally occurring substances do batshit crazy things to life? It's all about the dosage.

Re: Tramadol Is Not a Natural Product After All

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Post by freehunter »

rjurney wrote: post #14
alexjeffrey wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

more importantly, the use of "natural" to describe a product with the implication that it being synthetic would be a bad thing is a fallacy.

Still, there is something nice about a chemical appearing in nature. Gives evidence that it doesn't do batshit crazy things to life.

That idea might make you feel better, but it's not grounded in reality at all. Chemicals appearing in nature do batshit crazy things to life all the time.
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