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Millions of Americans Get Wages Garnished Over Credit Card Debt

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Re: Millions of Americans Get Wages Garnished Over Credit Card Debt

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Aren't there bankruptcy protections?

There are none for student loans. If you file bankruptcy they're the only kind of debt that you can't discharge.

This isn't true. 11 USC 523 contains a long list of non-dischargeable debts, including child/spousal support obligations, certain taxes, and debts incurred by fraud or willful injury.

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#12
post #5

- Option 1: Avoid getting into debt - Option 2: Pay your bills on time - Option 3: File Bankruptcy If you haven't taken option 1 or option 2 and you start getting court notices - then it's time to start talking to someone about option 3.

Option 4: Don't fight the wage garnishment

It's happened to me with an old student loan. I didn't fight it, they took some of my paycheck, the debt was gone in no time and everybody was happy.

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Reading the responses here, I think you guys are completely disconnected from the reality, because you (like me) are lucky to have a high-paid high-in-demand profession! There are people in America who go to bed hungry - and not because they overspend or manage finances poorly. Just go over at http://www.feedingamerica.org/ as starters!

Re: Millions of Americans Get Wages Garnished Over Credit Card Debt

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post #5

- Option 1: Avoid getting into debt - Option 2: Pay your bills on time - Option 3: File Bankruptcy If you haven't taken option 1 or option 2 and you start getting court notices - then it's time to start talking to someone about option 3.

You know how much it costs per hour to talk to someone about option 3? Even trying to prove how broke you are costs a lot of money.

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#15
post #8

It's hard to see these "millions of americans" as victims in this matter. It's almost always possible to just _not buy_ something if you can't afford it.

In theory, yes - but there are entire armies of marketing and sales people who'll use every trick in the book to convince your fickle brain otherwise.

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The more I learn about what happens to people who are in debt and fall into hard times, the less I want to buy anything with credit.

Well credit cards are a pretty recent development. The first general purpose card wasn't created until 1966. Sure, you can trace different forms of credit all the way back to the Crusades and the Knights Templar, but credit cards are a recent invention. If you think it about this way, the greatest generation never used credit. They saved until they had the money to buy stuff. My grandparents never had credit cards, a…

And even the relevance of the credit score depends on where you are and what you're planning to do with it. Where I live you can get mortgages without a credit history as they value more that you can live within your means than having a history of going over it.

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The more I learn about what happens to people who are in debt and fall into hard times, the less I want to buy anything with credit.

When I was in college, and my wife and I were in hard times, we had a $10,000 credit line that we ran up to full and I've been slowly paying down. I currently pay around $70 a month in interest on it - and it was so worth it. It's so cheap now that I don't even register it as an expense today, but the value of the money was 100x to me then when I was struggling so much.

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post #9

The more I learn about what happens to people who are in debt and fall into hard times, the less I want to buy anything with credit.

Credit is a trap for the unwary and those that fail to plan ahead. I include myself in that group, as I have credit debt. Don't do - save your money.

My brother asked me for advice, when he was in college, about whether he should get a credit card. I told him that he should, if he was confident that he make a small charge and consistently pay the bill, on time, every month. However, if he wasn't confident that he could do this, he shouldn't. He decided against the credit card.

In retrospect, I didn't give him good advice. It's not that the overall approach is a bad one, but I didn't understand or emphasize just how important it is to establish a credit history. When you're in college, credit card companies will offer you a line of credit even if you have no previous credit history. If you can charge $10 a month, and pay it on time every month, for several years… I'm not kidding, banks will lend you $750,000 to buy a house at the most favorable rates 5 years later simply based on your demonstrated ability to pay $10 a month reliably and not run up a $10,000 debt just because you can. It's a test, and it's an important one to pass - but if you aren't going to pass, don't take it (yet). You will need to eventually.

If you don't take this test and pass it, banks will at best charge you a higher interest rate that could actually cost you well over 100K over the lifetime of the loan. They might not loan to you at all.

So yeah… if you can't handle credit, don't do it, but be aware of how important it is to establish a credit history.

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The more I learn about what happens to people who are in debt and fall into hard times, the less I want to buy anything with credit.

Important note: If you don't buy anything with credit, you could find yourself unable to sign up for internet service at a new apartment because you're an "unknown credit risk." This happened to me, and I would have been completely screwed if I hadn't had a roommate who did have credit. The ISP was the only service available at the apartment, and they absolutely refused to let me sign up. It wasn't because I had bad credit; I had never used credit.

From my point of view, it was absolutely crazy. I tried everything in order to persuade them to let me open an account, such as offering to pay for several months of service in advance, but their policy prohibited anyone with "unknown credit risk" from creating a new account under any circumstances.

All you have to do is get a credit card, buy all your groceries with it, then pay it off every month. Paying it off every month is the most important part. If you suddenly find yourself in a position where you have much less income, resist the temptation to use your credit card as a supplementary income.

Re: Millions of Americans Get Wages Garnished Over Credit Card Debt

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post #9

The more I learn about what happens to people who are in debt and fall into hard times, the less I want to buy anything with credit.

Credit is a trap for the unwary and those that fail to plan ahead. I include myself in that group, as I have credit debt. Don't do - save your money.

Would you say the same about buying a large item (such as a home) on credit? They are fundamentally both debt, but drastically different in details.
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