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LIVE NOW: Glenn Greenwald, Assange, and Kim Dot Com in NZ

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Re: LIVE NOW: Glenn Greenwald, Assange, and Kim Dot Com in NZ

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Post by jamespo »

jacquesm wrote: post #41
idlewords wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An arrest warrant was issued and the guy fled to escape being charged. And then he ran again . So saying he hasn't been convicted or charged is a pretty high-chutzpah defense.

You have your timing mixed up. Please study the case in detail before you make such charged statements. The timing there is very subtle and open to several interpretations depending on how you want to fill in the blanks: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assange_v_Swedish_Prosecution_A... So I won't blame you, it's an extremely complex case that does not lend itself to the issuing of 5 word sound bites. It's complex becau…

But he is currently hiding out in the embassy to avoid being charged, so your innocent query of "has he been convicted/charged" is spurious.

Re: LIVE NOW: Glenn Greenwald, Assange, and Kim Dot Com in NZ

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Post by revelation »

junto wrote: post #65
jacquesm wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The first rule of email: if you do something incriminating, don't use email. Oliver North and many many others after him have shown that people are simply stupid. From small time crooks to big time politicians and a whole spectrum of stupid people in between the 'incriminating email' seems to be a staple element in the arsenal of prosecutions the world over. I don't see why CEO's of major corporations should be exemp…

Indeed, even Steve Jobs got caught out by that one: http://techcrunch.com/2012/01/19/damning-evidence-emerges-in...

And not only once, his emails were the key evidence in the antitrust eBook case, too.

Ref: http://qz.com/87184/the-steve-jobs-emails-that-show-how-to-w...

Re: LIVE NOW: Glenn Greenwald, Assange, and Kim Dot Com in NZ

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Post by aw3c2 »

oskarth wrote: post #59
aw3c2 wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's such a central problem though! The messenger is always part of the message so it has to be a "good guy" or the message gets tainted.

Step up. Stop complaining. This is what we got. EDIT: I assume your "No" is a reply to "Stop complaining". Unfortunately, your attitude reflects a "No" to the stepping up part as well. Which is fine, if your goal is to complain rather than to change things :) In fact, the central problem here is how to step up and be part of the solution. It's a question I ask myself, and one that you should consider asking yourself…

No. If you couple a good thing with a bad thing, you make it hard. I won't share this with my friends because I would not want to advertise Dotcom's personal agenda as byproduct. This is similar to politicians of the wrong parties saying this one might agree with. One has to be careful what implications are part of a package.

Re: LIVE NOW: Glenn Greenwald, Assange, and Kim Dot Com in NZ

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Post by codeulike »

skidoo wrote: post #16
davidw wrote: post #6

One of these three things is not like the others.

Politics make strange bedfellows. That said, I think that ideologically, all of these men are absolutely on the same page... of persons who will never in their lifetimes be invited to any White House gala. And good for them.

People seem to be missing Skidoo's joke here:

"all of these men are absolutely on the same page...of persons who will never in their lifetimes be invited to any White House gala"

Re: LIVE NOW: Glenn Greenwald, Assange, and Kim Dot Com in NZ

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Post by jacquesm »

jamespo wrote: post #72
jacquesm wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have your timing mixed up. Please study the case in detail before you make such charged statements. The timing there is very subtle and open to several interpretations depending on how you want to fill in the blanks: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assange_v_Swedish_Prosecution_A... So I won't blame you, it's an extremely complex case that does not lend itself to the issuing of 5 word sound bites. It's complex becau…

But he is currently hiding out in the embassy to avoid being charged, so your innocent query of "has he been convicted/charged" is spurious.

I'm not going to speculate on what Assange's real motivations are for hiding out in that embassy, he's said enough on the subject and whether you agree with him or not that those are his true motivations is between you and him.

So no, he hasn't been convicted and/or charged and as such calling him a rapist is getting ahead of the timeline.

What he does in the meantime doesn't change that one bit.

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