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LIVE NOW: Glenn Greenwald, Assange, and Kim Dot Com in NZ

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Re: LIVE NOW: Glenn Greenwald, Assange, and Kim Dot Com in NZ

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Post by junto »

jacquesm wrote: post #34
skidoo wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Politics make strange bedfellows. That said, I think that ideologically, all of these men are absolutely on the same page... of persons who will never in their lifetimes be invited to any White House gala. And good for them.

> That said, I think that ideologically, all of these men are absolutely on the same page... I don't think even they would agree to that. KDC is a serial criminal/fraudster with a ton of convictions to his name that will pursue a buck no matter what he has to do for it. Glenn Greenwald is a journalist who will not be pushed or pressured into behaving as governments believe he should, who has taught a superb lesson in…

I said something very similar in another KDC related post: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8317883

In addition to your comments, the fact that Snowden and Greenwald are prepared to stand shoulder-to-shoulder with Dotcom shows me, that they are prepared to put their own integrity (which is everything to both of them) on the line, because they believe these claims to be true.

That or the USD has false flag leaked the information in order to make Snowden and Greewald look stupid.

However, considering the lengths Greenwald went to in order to make sure he wasn't being stitched up by Snowden, the likelihood is that he has correctly validated his source.

Time will tell, but yeah, Kimble is a shill. He stitched up a load of people here in Germany back in the day to save his own ass.

Re: LIVE NOW: Glenn Greenwald, Assange, and Kim Dot Com in NZ

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Post by junto »

caractacus wrote: post #60
junto wrote: post #57

While I find Dotcom to be a epitome of a shill, I doubt Greenwald or Snowden would back this particular claim if they truly believed it was false. Both Snowden and Greenwald have choosen to honour the truth above their own safety and security. Both of them are also acutely aware of the fact that standing shoulder-to-shoulder with Dotcom reflects poorly on their own integrity. Maybe the USG leaked this email as a 'fal…

A main question for me is how dotcom got hold of his email. There is no mention that it came from Snowden's leaks or similar, though it appears that this is what Dotcom is wanted everyone to believe: host an event highlighting mass surveilliance of NZ citizens, publicise an email hours beforehand, hope everyone conflates the issues and thinks that the legitimacy that Greenwald and Snowden lend to the surveillance eve…

While that is true, do you imagine that Greewald and Snowden are stupid enough not to validate their sources? They own integrity is on the line here, and Greenwald in particular is trading on that integrity, and the entire Firstlook.org integrity is riding with him.

Either the USD has sold him a complete dummy and Firstlook is dead in the water, or the claim is true.

Re: LIVE NOW: Glenn Greenwald, Assange, and Kim Dot Com in NZ

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Post by caractacus »

junto wrote: post #62
caractacus wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A main question for me is how dotcom got hold of his email. There is no mention that it came from Snowden's leaks or similar, though it appears that this is what Dotcom is wanted everyone to believe: host an event highlighting mass surveilliance of NZ citizens, publicise an email hours beforehand, hope everyone conflates the issues and thinks that the legitimacy that Greenwald and Snowden lend to the surveillance eve…

While that is true, do you imagine that Greewald and Snowden are stupid enough not to validate their sources? They own integrity is on the line here, and Greenwald in particular is trading on that integrity, and the entire Firstlook.org integrity is riding with him. Either the USD has sold him a complete dummy and Firstlook is dead in the water, or the claim is true.

Greenwald didn't mention this supposed email once. He talked about the mass surveillance of NZ citizens only, evidence for which is pretty substantial. That is something he would have validated. No one, as far as I can tell, has said that Dotcom's email came from Snowden or Greenwald or anyone connected to them.

Re: LIVE NOW: Glenn Greenwald, Assange, and Kim Dot Com in NZ

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Post by jacquesm »

caractacus wrote: post #60
junto wrote: post #57

While I find Dotcom to be a epitome of a shill, I doubt Greenwald or Snowden would back this particular claim if they truly believed it was false. Both Snowden and Greenwald have choosen to honour the truth above their own safety and security. Both of them are also acutely aware of the fact that standing shoulder-to-shoulder with Dotcom reflects poorly on their own integrity. Maybe the USG leaked this email as a 'fal…

A main question for me is how dotcom got hold of his email. There is no mention that it came from Snowden's leaks or similar, though it appears that this is what Dotcom is wanted everyone to believe: host an event highlighting mass surveilliance of NZ citizens, publicise an email hours beforehand, hope everyone conflates the issues and thinks that the legitimacy that Greenwald and Snowden lend to the surveillance eve…

The first rule of email: if you do something incriminating, don't use email. Oliver North and many many others after him have shown that people are simply stupid.

From small time crooks to big time politicians and a whole spectrum of stupid people in between the 'incriminating email' seems to be a staple element in the arsenal of prosecutions the world over. I don't see why CEO's of major corporations should be exempt. See recent revelations regarding collusion by big companies to depress engineers salaries.

Re: LIVE NOW: Glenn Greenwald, Assange, and Kim Dot Com in NZ

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Post by junto »

jacquesm wrote: post #64
caractacus wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A main question for me is how dotcom got hold of his email. There is no mention that it came from Snowden's leaks or similar, though it appears that this is what Dotcom is wanted everyone to believe: host an event highlighting mass surveilliance of NZ citizens, publicise an email hours beforehand, hope everyone conflates the issues and thinks that the legitimacy that Greenwald and Snowden lend to the surveillance eve…

The first rule of email: if you do something incriminating, don't use email. Oliver North and many many others after him have shown that people are simply stupid. From small time crooks to big time politicians and a whole spectrum of stupid people in between the 'incriminating email' seems to be a staple element in the arsenal of prosecutions the world over. I don't see why CEO's of major corporations should be exemp…

Indeed, even Steve Jobs got caught out by that one: http://techcrunch.com/2012/01/19/damning-evidence-emerges-in...

Re: LIVE NOW: Glenn Greenwald, Assange, and Kim Dot Com in NZ

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Post by vorg »

bitserf wrote: post #35
mrmondo wrote: post #32

As a New Zealander, I have not felt more disgusted by a Prime Minister since Muldoon. This isn't news to those of us in the tech sector with experience in NZ - but it's amazing for international hero's such as Glenn Greenwald, Edward Snowden and Assange speak out so publicly about the grease-bag that is John Key and his party. Apologies for the loaded wording, I feel very passionately about the freedom of New Zealand…

Fellow NZ citizen. Could not agree more. I hope we will have more engagement of the citizenry this election.

It would also be good to have more engagement of non-citizen New Zealanders this election also!

For non-Kiwis... New Zealand is one of the very few countries in the world where non-citizens are allowed to vote in national elections. Permanent residents who have lived in NZ for only 1 year can register to vote, though they don't have to. They're not allowed to become citizens until they've lived in NZ for 5 years however. This is in stark contrast to nearby Australia where only citizens vote, just like in most other countries, but their unusual electoral situation is that its citizens must vote (or be fined).

Re: LIVE NOW: Glenn Greenwald, Assange, and Kim Dot Com in NZ

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Post by jacquesm »

thaumaturgy wrote: post #54
jacquesm wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

KDC is a convicted felon in Germany, has 10 or more counts against him and has had a 2 year suspended sentence which he did not contest. He's also been involved in setting up a ponzi scheme and stole 1.5M in a 'pump and dump'. I won't take a word of that back.

OK. You can refuse to take back anything you said -- which I didn't ask for, btw -- but it will still have nothing to do with what I said.

Apologies for being unclear, I was mostly responding to the bit that states that I'm being 'a bit unfair' to KDC. I think it is very fair and that he's simply a bad puppy. If he accidentally does something useful while he's pursuing his selfish goals then great, but that's not his first and foremost interest, most probably merely a convenient vehicle for his ambitions.
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