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Re: Show HN: Picnic.css, a lightweight Bootstrap alternative

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First of all, I want to say that I like the vibrant colors, small size, and checkable buttons. Smaller (and JS-less) CSS frameworks is something that I've been crusading for for years now. Secondly, I'm the creator of Min ( http://minfwk.com ), a fellow small CSS framework. Min is only 995 bytes - 5 times smaller. It also is more widely used, has feature parity with Bootstrap through the Min Bootstrap plugin, support…

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Re: Show HN: Picnic.css, a lightweight Bootstrap alternative

#92

First of all, I want to say that I like the vibrant colors, small size, and checkable buttons. Smaller (and JS-less) CSS frameworks is something that I've been crusading for for years now. Secondly, I'm the creator of Min ( http://minfwk.com ), a fellow small CSS framework. Min is only 995 bytes - 5 times smaller. It also is more widely used, has feature parity with Bootstrap through the Min Bootstrap plugin, support…

This is extremely tacky. Of course you meant to put the framework down - your first statement shows you think this is a competition, and you don't want to "lose"

Your edit is just to try and convince others and yourself that you weren't being a complete tool. (You were).

It seems you had no other intention in your comment than to belittle the authors work and puff yourself up. If you actually thought you could learn something from the author you would have treated them with some degree of respect.

Re: Show HN: Picnic.css, a lightweight Bootstrap alternative

#93

First of all, I want to say that I like the vibrant colors, small size, and checkable buttons. Smaller (and JS-less) CSS frameworks is something that I've been crusading for for years now. Secondly, I'm the creator of Min ( http://minfwk.com ), a fellow small CSS framework. Min is only 995 bytes - 5 times smaller. It also is more widely used, has feature parity with Bootstrap through the Min Bootstrap plugin, support…

One answer might be that they sell it a bit better through site design and example.

I've got no horse in this race though

Re: Show HN: Picnic.css, a lightweight Bootstrap alternative

#94

First of all, I want to say that I like the vibrant colors, small size, and checkable buttons. Smaller (and JS-less) CSS frameworks is something that I've been crusading for for years now. Secondly, I'm the creator of Min ( http://minfwk.com ), a fellow small CSS framework. Min is only 995 bytes - 5 times smaller. It also is more widely used, has feature parity with Bootstrap through the Min Bootstrap plugin, support…

One answer might be that they sell it a bit better through site design and example. I've got no horse in this race though

Thanks for the first actual answer! What don't you like about Min's site design?

Re: Show HN: Picnic.css, a lightweight Bootstrap alternative

#95

First of all, I want to say that I like the vibrant colors, small size, and checkable buttons. Smaller (and JS-less) CSS frameworks is something that I've been crusading for for years now. Secondly, I'm the creator of Min ( http://minfwk.com ), a fellow small CSS framework. Min is only 995 bytes - 5 times smaller. It also is more widely used, has feature parity with Bootstrap through the Min Bootstrap plugin, support…

Nuts to those calling bad taste: if I had a competing framework I'd be making it part of the conversation, too. Besides being tiny, how does Min stack up against Picnic, owenversteeg? I expect a bias opinion, don't worry ;)

Re: Show HN: Picnic.css, a lightweight Bootstrap alternative

#96
post #88

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Its always good to have options. As much as I'm supportive of promoting your own work its a little bit in bad taste to smash and promote your project one a submission like this.

Whoops. I didn't mean it in a negative way - I was hoping that the creator could mention some other advantages of using Picnic.css that I missed. I've edited the comment to focus less on the downsides of Picnic and instead focus on the differences of Picnic and Min.

You mention IE5.5 support four times on your homepage. Nobody is using IE5.5 anymore, so that's not an attractive selling point, and slightly odd that you think it might be a selling point.

The Picnic thing has "subtle animated buttons" which may be appealing to some looking for a certain design edge out of the box.

Personally I roll my own everything, I don't use grids or bootstrap, so not sure why I'm even looking at this thread.

I'm not the typical frontend developer though apparently. Div class="row" is not something you'll see in my code, ever. I'm not going back to table layouts by faking rows and columns with divs. That to me is working against the grain of HTML and CSS. When you start working *with" the grain, with the native behaviour of HTML elements, suddenly a lot more is possible and easier to accomplish when it comes to responsiveness and compatibility. But anyway.. carry on with your "not table based" layouts!

Re: Show HN: Picnic.css, a lightweight Bootstrap alternative

#97
post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whoops. I didn't mean it in a negative way - I was hoping that the creator could mention some other advantages of using Picnic.css that I missed. I've edited the comment to focus less on the downsides of Picnic and instead focus on the differences of Picnic and Min.

You mention IE5.5 support four times on your homepage. Nobody is using IE5.5 anymore, so that's not an attractive selling point, and slightly odd that you think it might be a selling point. The Picnic thing has "subtle animated buttons" which may be appealing to some looking for a certain design edge out of the box. Personally I roll my own everything, I don't use grids or bootstrap, so not sure why I'm even looking…

Thanks for the feedback!

* Although "nobody" (if parts of China and governments are nobody) uses IE5.5, plenty use IE6, IE7, and IE8, which aren't supported by many CSS frameworks.

* Min also has subtle animations - only of background color though. I used to have more 3D-looking buttons but those were criticized for being too prescriptive - which I agree with; IMHO you shouldn't be able to tell what CSS framework a site uses by looking at it.

* You have a really interesting point about grid systems and table-based layouts. That's something I'll have to come back to when I'm slightly more awake.

Re: Show HN: Picnic.css, a lightweight Bootstrap alternative

#98
post #92

First of all, I want to say that I like the vibrant colors, small size, and checkable buttons. Smaller (and JS-less) CSS frameworks is something that I've been crusading for for years now. Secondly, I'm the creator of Min ( http://minfwk.com ), a fellow small CSS framework. Min is only 995 bytes - 5 times smaller. It also is more widely used, has feature parity with Bootstrap through the Min Bootstrap plugin, support…

This is extremely tacky. Of course you meant to put the framework down - your first statement shows you think this is a competition, and you don't want to "lose" Your edit is just to try and convince others and yourself that you weren't being a complete tool. (You were). It seems you had no other intention in your comment than to belittle the authors work and puff yourself up. If you actually thought you could learn…

First of all, I waited until two other people in the thread had mentioned Min before mentioning it. Second of all, I think this is an extremely relevant place to mention Min. Finally, I've edited my post more to show how I think Picnic is really interesting and has a cool approach.

Good now?

Re: Show HN: Picnic.css, a lightweight Bootstrap alternative

#99
post #47

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I'm a big fan of Min: http://minfwk.com/ 995 bytes!

Thanks! I'm the creator of Min. Are there any suggestions or improvements you have?

My first impression of min is that it looks nice. Really, for it's goals, it's pretty tight.

As a branding thing, I'd change that URL. I get that it's short but minfwk.com doesn't really look like "Min Framework" to me. It just looks like a bunch of letters. A domain like mincss.com, getmin.com, minframework.com or something more legible would be better.

Re: Show HN: Picnic.css, a lightweight Bootstrap alternative

#100

I've tried to keep it as tiny as possible with just under 3kb when gzipped. What would you change? What would you add? Any feedback or pull request is greatly welcome! MIT Licensed

Here is the thing I would like and maybe I could fork your and just try it and see how it looks. I really like attribute based properties for grid, I think this is great idea. Check it here. I think this could make your framework different from me-too frameworks. I think you could improve on it quite a bit, add optional modules for modal for example, maybe some other elements.

http://glenmaddern.com/articles/introducing-am-css

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