America can't be the world's tech leader without immigration reform.

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Re: America can't be the world's tech leader without immigration reform.

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Post by Gormo » Sat, Sep 19, 2009, 3:55 AM UTC

stonemetal wrote: post #35

jacquesm wrote: post #32

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I don't like to downmod to express my disagreement, so let me try to put it into words instead of the 'down arrow'. I think that your stance is absolutely indefensible since the poster explicitly states that he came to America as a young child and 'inherited' his status as an illegal from his parents. So, even if he/she has done everything possible to stay clear of the law (if there is one thing you do not do as an i…

So, even if he/she has done everything possible to stay clear of the law ... been a productive element in that society If he has been a productive member of society then he has broken several laws around the employment of illegals, including tax evasion. It as if he broke in to your house and has been living in your attic. He contributed to the upkeep of the house by fixing a holes in the roof so that his bed would s…

Society is not the state, and the state is not society. The state can and does create arbitrary rules that are actually harmful to society. I consider this one of them.

Real criminals are people who do harm to others, not people who simply break bureaucratic rules.

Re: America can't be the world's tech leader without immigration reform.

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Post by Gormo » Sat, Sep 19, 2009, 4:04 AM UTC

stonemetal wrote: post #48

jacquesm wrote: post #46

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> We give them a free plane ride home. For someone that was brought in to the US and is now at an age to have completed their secondary education home is the United States. No amount of paper waving and applying of the rules is going to change that. Anyway, I'm wasting my time with this, I only wish that in your life you will never ever come up against a situation where you will be forced to realize just how cruel yo…

you will be forced to realize just how cruel your stance is. What is cruel about expecting people to live by the rules they have agreed to live by? Yes and he is a grown up now and has known for years that he is in the wrong. Instead of doing the right thing he complains about how we should all just love him for it. It would be a big relief for him if he went home no more fear of being discovered, no more I can't do…

Stonemetal, what would you do if you discovered that you were actually born in, say, Ethiopia, and were brought to the US illegally as an infant?

Would you simply leave for a foreign country you have no knowledge of, abandoning your life, severing your relationships, giving up all of the property that you earned through your own endeavors, just because the law is the law?

Any rule that would compel you to do so is simply, unequivocally _wrong_, and deserves to be violated.

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