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Hemisphere Project Summary: Office of National Drug Control Policy [pdf]

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Re: Hemisphere Project Summary: Office of National Drug Control Policy [pdf]

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Post by kelvin0 »

ProAm wrote: post #16
dicroce wrote: post #8

Our country is full of police departments that fund themselves through seizures of drug money, that they know about by using data our intelligence services collected on us. I wonder who's using the phone data to buy and sell stocks? Maybe that's what they'll get into once we legalize marijuana.

There are easier ways for the government to make money. There is a strong belief the CIA was selling drugs to citizens in the 80s to fund themselves [1] [1] http://www.justice.gov/oig/special/9712/ch01p1.htm

Why the downvotes? French article, one among many that mention Drug smuggling by some agencies (CIA?) http://www.lepoint.fr/monde/la-vie-abracadabrante-d-un-pilot...

Re: Hemisphere Project Summary: Office of National Drug Control Policy [pdf]

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Post by kelvin0 »

jnbiche wrote: post #20
kabdib wrote: post #13

Writing my representative and senators now. To hell with these people.

>Writing my representative and senators now. That will accomplish absolutely nothing, except to legitimize those who have overseen this reprehensible development, and all the other political and social catastrophes of the past 30-40 years. Our...political...system...is...fundamentally...broken. Voting, writing your congressman, and helping elect another corrupt politician are all activities that do nothing to improve…

I am sometimes surprised that this type of argument gets downvoted. How can it be said that the political system is NOT broken? You`d think after all the information uncovered by Snowden this would be obvious to most of us.

Re: Hemisphere Project Summary: Office of National Drug Control Policy [pdf]

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Post by HelloMcFly »

jnbiche wrote: post #20
kabdib wrote: post #13

Writing my representative and senators now. To hell with these people.

>Writing my representative and senators now. That will accomplish absolutely nothing, except to legitimize those who have overseen this reprehensible development, and all the other political and social catastrophes of the past 30-40 years. Our...political...system...is...fundamentally...broken. Voting, writing your congressman, and helping elect another corrupt politician are all activities that do nothing to improve…

Got it. Don't vote, don't attempt to hold elected officials accountable or even let them know in tangible communications about what I feel. Give up and disengage completely, educate other citizens on why they should give up and disengage completely, put my money into my mattress (or a credit union, I guess), and start a garden so I can feed myself. But where do I buy the seeds!?

I say get more engaged, but be pragmatic and protect yourself emotionally. I do believe that many, but not all, representatives would respond to increased personal communication. All of my conversation with former DC staffers has done nothing by reinforce this view for me.

But don't leave it there. Support causes you believe in, and if you can use technology or commerce to enact change positive change then that's even better.

Re: Hemisphere Project Summary: Office of National Drug Control Policy [pdf]

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Post by tptacek »

eli wrote: post #18
tptacek wrote: post #17

This is a story NYT broke in 2013: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/02/us/drug-agents-use-vast-ph... Obviously, this is deeply fucked up.

Indeed, this seems to be a different (newer?) version of the same slide deck the NYTimes published.

The NYT seems to describe the slide deck, down to the case studies at the end.

Re: Hemisphere Project Summary: Office of National Drug Control Policy [pdf]

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Post by kelvin0 »

HelloMcFly wrote: post #23
jnbiche wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Writing my representative and senators now. That will accomplish absolutely nothing, except to legitimize those who have overseen this reprehensible development, and all the other political and social catastrophes of the past 30-40 years. Our...political...system...is...fundamentally...broken. Voting, writing your congressman, and helping elect another corrupt politician are all activities that do nothing to improve…

Got it. Don't vote, don't attempt to hold elected officials accountable or even let them know in tangible communications about what I feel. Give up and disengage completely, educate other citizens on why they should give up and disengage completely, put my money into my mattress (or a credit union, I guess), and start a garden so I can feed myself. But where do I buy the seeds!? I say get more engaged, but be pragmat…

On the contrary, he advocates a proactive approach to 'engage and inform other citizens' and start having people stop relying on a broken system, instead of taking responsibility for their actions and effectuating real change.

Re: Hemisphere Project Summary: Office of National Drug Control Policy [pdf]

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Post by tim333 »

jkn wrote: post #25

Can anyone help me with this most emphasized sentence, "Hemisphere is law enforcement sensitive!"... what is it supposed to mean?

Wikipedia has: "Limited Distribution, Proprietary, Originator Controlled, Law Enforcement Sensitive were designations the Pentagon attempted in 2011 to exempt from President Obama's Executive Order 13556"

Executive Order 13556 "Controlled Unclassified Information" required a public registry of such information and that the registry and implementing directives would be available to the public.

Re: Hemisphere Project Summary: Office of National Drug Control Policy [pdf]

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Post by tedunangst »

kelvin0 wrote: post #22
jnbiche wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Writing my representative and senators now. That will accomplish absolutely nothing, except to legitimize those who have overseen this reprehensible development, and all the other political and social catastrophes of the past 30-40 years. Our...political...system...is...fundamentally...broken. Voting, writing your congressman, and helping elect another corrupt politician are all activities that do nothing to improve…

I am sometimes surprised that this type of argument gets downvoted. How can it be said that the political system is NOT broken? You`d think after all the information uncovered by Snowden this would be obvious to most of us.

Saying "the system is broken because it doesn't represent my interests" doesn't seem likely to go anywhere. Someone will always say that. Assuming you fix the system, whoever's interests are currently being represented will make the exact same complaint.

For the majority of American history, the system was fundamentally broken for women. That wasn't fixed by women sitting out and saying boohoo.

Re: Hemisphere Project Summary: Office of National Drug Control Policy [pdf]

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Post by dang »

eli wrote: post #11
psychometry wrote: post #10

Do I really need to download this massive PDF to find out what the useless title of this submission means? Mods, please edit.

I believe HN guidelines are to use the title from the source document. In this case, "Hemisphere Synopsis." Don't think that's much better.

When the document has more than one title, it makes sense to use the most informative one.

The submitted title was "DO Not mention Hemisphere in any official reports or court documents". That broke the guidelines, certainly by being baity and arguably by editorializing as well.

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