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Steve Jobs Introduces the iPhone 6 and Apple Watch

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Re: Steve Jobs Introduces the iPhone 6 and Apple Watch

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Post by coldpie »

DCKing wrote: post #170

The whole premise of this article is so wrong. If Jobs were alive we wouldn't have had this presentation in the first place. First up, under Jobs phablet iPhones would have been out of the question. He would have flat out rejected those, because he was simply wrong about some of the assumptions of phone design and would be a lot slower to admit that than Apple did without him. Second, the Apple Watch would not have b…

Yeah, it went from a kind of interesting analysis of the presentation and then fell over into fan fiction, even referencing the author's previous fan fiction pieces as some sort of weird Steve Jobs head canon. Yikes.

Re: Steve Jobs Introduces the iPhone 6 and Apple Watch

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Post by snowwrestler »

mamoriamohit wrote: post #153

When Steve Jobs returned to Apple as CEO, he found a lot of variations of Mac getting developed. There was Mac for this, Mac for that, separate Mac for everything. He asked one question to the people developing, “If I had to buy one for my nephew, what would you recommend me?” He got several options. Then he asked, “If I had to buy one for my nephew, what would you suggest from the ones you just suggested?” He got mo…

This is just wrong. Jobs oversaw numerous variations in size, color, and specs during his time at Apple. The iMac came in like 5 colors at one point. And remember this was a desktop computer! Laptops in different sizes and colors; iPods in different sizes and colors, with Apple-branded accessories (remember the "socks" Apple sold for them?); iPad covers in multiple finishes and colors, etc.

You just need to do your research before posting on something that can be easily looked up.

Re: Steve Jobs Introduces the iPhone 6 and Apple Watch

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Post by coldpie »

ThePhysicist wrote: post #119

"What we want from Apple isn't new technology. We want human warmth — a possibility of living a more fulfilled, meaningful life." I think this sums up nicely what's wrong here: The belief that technology will make your life more fulfilled or meaningful. I didn't watch the live keynote (I don't have the required Apple gear) but saw excerpts on Youtube, and frankly, I find the level of religiousness surrounding this ev…

Hey grampa, how'd you get on hacker news?

Seriously, it's always been like this and it will always be like this. You're just ranting about "kids these days" because their choice of distraction is different from what yours was.

Re: Steve Jobs Introduces the iPhone 6 and Apple Watch

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Post by mlopes »

Not a realistic scenario. If Jobs was alive Apple wouldn't be chasing the Android and making crappy products, so he wouldn't need to give all of those lame excuses to try to justify poor decisions and no innovation in their products.

I'm an iPhone user, and when my iPhone stop being usable, I'll move to a Google phone, in spite of the size, not because of it. The real reason why I'm moving to an Android phone is because all of the limitation that the iPhone has and that it hasn't removed while the Android evolved.

Re: Steve Jobs Introduces the iPhone 6 and Apple Watch

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Post by flatline »

DCKing wrote: post #170

The whole premise of this article is so wrong. If Jobs were alive we wouldn't have had this presentation in the first place. First up, under Jobs phablet iPhones would have been out of the question. He would have flat out rejected those, because he was simply wrong about some of the assumptions of phone design and would be a lot slower to admit that than Apple did without him. Second, the Apple Watch would not have b…

I still think the "why" of the watch was missing from the presentation, and a lot of his points were spot on. My wife called me all excited about it and I kept asking her what it did and she didn't have a clue.

But I'm not sure it matters. My takeaway from reading your post was "Google released a watch? Oh...who cares." So I think you're right, Apple is still doing more right than wrong. I just don't think of Google as a product company, the Android brand mostly belongs to other manufacturers in my mind, and the overall impression is still that they are all making iPhone knockoffs, even if in many cases they are objectively superior. There's still nobody around who can do a product release like Apple.

Re: Steve Jobs Introduces the iPhone 6 and Apple Watch

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Post by vidarh »

k-mcgrady wrote: post #122
ThePhysicist wrote: post #119

"What we want from Apple isn't new technology. We want human warmth — a possibility of living a more fulfilled, meaningful life." I think this sums up nicely what's wrong here: The belief that technology will make your life more fulfilled or meaningful. I didn't watch the live keynote (I don't have the required Apple gear) but saw excerpts on Youtube, and frankly, I find the level of religiousness surrounding this ev…

>> "Take the metro / subway in any big, affluent city these days, and look around youself. What do you see? People whose eyes are glued to their phone screens, oblivious to the people around them, looking for "human warmth" in their virtual companion. That's really not the society I want to live in." I agree with a lot of what you said but this isn't correct. True we all have out faces buried in our devices but befor…

This is vastly dependent on country. And even area within the country. To a large extent I guess population density.

E.g. come to London. Take a train heading as far as possible out of town. With every stop, the "average face" will soften, you'll start seeing smiles. Then eye contact will become "acceptable". You may find people greeting you eventually.

Time of day/week also makes a huge difference. The overcrowded commuter trains are awful. Except Friday afternoon, when the atmosphere at least on the long distance commuter trains out of London tends to be completely different.

Or go to Paris, and people will be far more open to eye contact from the outset.

Re: Steve Jobs Introduces the iPhone 6 and Apple Watch

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Post by seunosewa »

camillomiller wrote: post #108
karmelapple wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The important point is Apple did not sell those cases when the iPhone was first released. It didn't talk about the idea of customizing it. People will figure out how to own their phone and make it personal. I think the author of this piece did a great job channeling a likely, and better, introduction.

It did not. And what's more annoying is the way he puts it: I KNOW WHAT STEVE WOULD HAVE DONE. I, a big nobody compared to a CEO that's worked for Apple since 20 years, know why he got it wrong. Now I'm gonna tell you what I would have done. This is the worst bullshit. Critique is great, and you can pull it off brilliantly even you are a little dot compared to the big guys you're criticizing. This is clearly not the…

Tim Cook knows what Steve would have done, but he just thinks his way is better. It's a human thing.

Re: Steve Jobs Introduces the iPhone 6 and Apple Watch

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Post by nogridbag »

DCKing wrote: post #170

The whole premise of this article is so wrong. If Jobs were alive we wouldn't have had this presentation in the first place. First up, under Jobs phablet iPhones would have been out of the question. He would have flat out rejected those, because he was simply wrong about some of the assumptions of phone design and would be a lot slower to admit that than Apple did without him. Second, the Apple Watch would not have b…

Apple should have released a single iPhone 6. A larger screen than the 5S with the physical dimensions of a much smaller phone. Look how much smaller the LG G3 with 5.5" screen is compared to the 6 plus with 5.5" screen. I just bought the G3 on Amazon for $49.99 on contract and LG has a promotion for a free additional battery and battery charger. Hard to pass up that deal.

http://www.phonearena.com/phones/size/LG-G3,Apple-iPhone-6-P...

Re: Steve Jobs Introduces the iPhone 6 and Apple Watch

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Post by vidarh »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #160
mironathetin wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People are entertaining themselves more!

From a small statistical sample of people I meet every day in public transport when going to and back from work, I can say that almost everyone looking at the phone is either texting or IM-ing (Facebook Messenger/Snapchat), and if not they're usually on Facebook (which I'd still classify as mostly communicating). Usually the only person I with a game on I can spot is myself playing Ingress, because the city centre is…

There's a 9 year gap in age between my ex and I. One of the big differences between us is that while I'm addicted to my phone too, I don't tend to use it to send messages much. Unless I have agreed to be somewhere by a specific time, I won't text to say I'm late, for example. I won't fret about not hearing from someone. I think that difference to great deal is down to growing up with and without a cellphone - I was 20 when I got my first one, and it was another couple of years before I used it much outside of business calls.

I'm used to expecting hours and hours of "radio silence" from people even if they're late, or I'm late, because when I was a kid calling meant having to know where they'd be, and getting to a phone booth or somewhere I could borrow a phone. She grew up being used to being always contactable and able to contact.

Re: Steve Jobs Introduces the iPhone 6 and Apple Watch

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Post by seunosewa »

owenwil wrote: post #46

This was killed already once today and is back again? Steve was very explicit to Tim Cook and others in the Apple executive team that they should never ask "what would Steve do." Seems to be written by someone with little understanding of Apple today.

He didn't necessarily say that in Apple's best interests. Maybe he wanted to be missed more than he wanted Apple to succeed after his death? He did feel "hurt" when Tim Cook said Apple would remain the same regardless of who was leading it, after all.
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