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Re: Brain 'can classify words during sleep'

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Any task that could become automated could be maintained during sleep, he said.

So someone who is highly trained could continue to work while they are asleep. ie, an expert stock broker could classify market data (as interpreted by EEG readings) throughout the night. Interesting, and a bit worrisome to think that some corporations could use this technology to get 16 hour days out of employees.

I am interested in the idea of continuing to "work" while sleeping. I've read anecdotes about people who solve technical problems in their dreams and the concept of getting a few more mental hours out of the day is very appealing. Time is arguably the most valuable resource and anything that can create more of it has potential to have a big impact. Hopefully this early result will turn into something bigger, ideally some kind of technology that allows people to communicate with themselves while sleeping. For that, I would pay a lot.

edit: Also, does this method have any value as a lie detector? Someone could ask a target true or false questions and record their EEG readings, and then ask a different set of questions while the target is asleep. Even the most skilled liar might not be able to deceive while unconscious.

Re: Brain 'can classify words during sleep'

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As somebody with a sleep disorder, I've suspected this for some time.

I think you keep on thinking while sleeping (at the higher levels), it's just a bit dissociative and you don't remember any of it. In fact, that's probably where you can do a lot of your best creative work.

Many times I'll "solve" a problem while deep in sleep, think to myself "Hey! I just solved this! I need to remember." then forget completely the next day -- only to come around to the solution again later on, seemingly on my own.

Sleep is a very strange process.

Re: Brain 'can classify words during sleep'

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post #11

Any task that could become automated could be maintained during sleep, he said. So someone who is highly trained could continue to work while they are asleep. ie, an expert stock broker could classify market data (as interpreted by EEG readings) throughout the night. Interesting, and a bit worrisome to think that some corporations could use this technology to get 16 hour days out of employees. I am interested in the…

> I've read anecdotes about people who solve technical problems in their dreams and the concept of getting a few more mental hours out of the day is very appealing.

Have you never experienced it? I've found it's very common that I'll sleep on a problem and have solutions in the morning.

Re: Brain 'can classify words during sleep'

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I remember when I first moved to Germany from the UK. I was immersed in a foreign language and my brain was constantly telling me I needed to go to sleep, especially after social occasions where the language input was extreme. I pictured my brain sorting out words and linkages as I slept. Makes sense for the brain to require partial downtime for a index reorganisation.

And garbage collection.

Lol. Yes and garbage collection.

Funnily enough I'm now at the stage where certain German expressions and mannerisms have started to surplant my native British English ones. Germans often have one word for something where in English you need a whole sentence. Somehow these words creep into your vocabulary and merge across the language boundaries.

Re: Brain 'can classify words during sleep'

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post #11

Any task that could become automated could be maintained during sleep, he said. So someone who is highly trained could continue to work while they are asleep. ie, an expert stock broker could classify market data (as interpreted by EEG readings) throughout the night. Interesting, and a bit worrisome to think that some corporations could use this technology to get 16 hour days out of employees. I am interested in the…

> I've read anecdotes about people who solve technical problems in their dreams and the concept of getting a few more mental hours out of the day is very appealing. Have you never experienced it? I've found it's very common that I'll sleep on a problem and have solutions in the morning.

I've experienced it occasionally. More often, I've (at least had the impression that I've) solved it in the night, been aware of solving it, and then forgotten the solution by morning.

Re: Brain 'can classify words during sleep'

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post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And garbage collection.

Lol. Yes and garbage collection. Funnily enough I'm now at the stage where certain German expressions and mannerisms have started to surplant my native British English ones. Germans often have one word for something where in English you need a whole sentence. Somehow these words creep into your vocabulary and merge across the language boundaries.

'schadenfreude'.

Re: Brain 'can classify words during sleep'

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I've read anecdotes about people who solve technical problems in their dreams and the concept of getting a few more mental hours out of the day is very appealing. Have you never experienced it? I've found it's very common that I'll sleep on a problem and have solutions in the morning.

I've experienced it occasionally. More often, I've (at least had the impression that I've) solved it in the night, been aware of solving it, and then forgotten the solution by morning.

There is a short window between sleeping & waking where recall is possible, you need to capture the thought immediately. There's a book on this topic, http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/27/science/27dream.html

"Using dream incubation for problem solving, Dr. Barrett, the author of “The Committee of Sleep,” which expanded on her initial research, asks patients to write down a problem as a brief phrase or sentence and place the note next to the bed. Then she tells them to review the problem for a few minutes before going to bed, and once in bed, visualize the problem as a concrete image, if possible.

As they are drifting off to sleep, the patients should tell themselves they want to dream about the problem and ideally keep a pen and paper, and perhaps a flashlight or a pen with a lit tip, on the night table. No matter what time they wake up, they should lie quietly before getting out of bed, note whether there is “any trace of a recalled dream and invite more of the dream to return if possible.” They should write down everything they remember. "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypnopompic, "A hypnopompic state is the state of consciousness leading out of sleep ... When the awakening occurs out of rapid eye movement (REM) sleep, in which most dreams occur, the hypnopompic state is sometimes accompanied by lingering vivid imagery. Some of the creative insights attributed to dreams actually happen in this moment of awakening from REM"

With segmented sleep, there are two daily instances of sleep-wake transition, so the chance of capturing notes is doubled, http://www.polyphasicsociety.com/polyphasic-sleep/overviews/...

Re: Brain 'can classify words during sleep'

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post #11

Any task that could become automated could be maintained during sleep, he said. So someone who is highly trained could continue to work while they are asleep. ie, an expert stock broker could classify market data (as interpreted by EEG readings) throughout the night. Interesting, and a bit worrisome to think that some corporations could use this technology to get 16 hour days out of employees. I am interested in the…

I've read anecdotes about people who solve technical problems in their dreams and the concept of getting a few more mental hours out of the day is very appealing.

This is one that every russian kid knows from school days:

"I saw in a dream a table where all elements fell into place as required. Awakening, I immediately wrote it down on a piece of paper, only in one place did a correction later seem necessary."

—Mendeleev, as quoted by Inostrantzev

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitri_Mendeleev#Periodic_table

Re: Brain 'can classify words during sleep'

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post #11

Any task that could become automated could be maintained during sleep, he said. So someone who is highly trained could continue to work while they are asleep. ie, an expert stock broker could classify market data (as interpreted by EEG readings) throughout the night. Interesting, and a bit worrisome to think that some corporations could use this technology to get 16 hour days out of employees. I am interested in the…

I recently followed "Learning how to learn" on Coursera, and they mentioned two main mode of operation of the brain: focused and diffuse mode. In the first mode, you are obviously focused, but it does not allow you to use part of your brain not related to the task at hand. On the other hand, the diffuse mode is activated when you are more relaxed, and allows you to create connections with remote parts of your brain.

So they advise when you are stuck to sleep on it, to allow the diffuse mode to kick in.

If you are interested, I would recommend you to follow the course. Most of the advice are not earth shattering, but I found the explanation on how our brains work when learning quite interesting.

Re: Brain 'can classify words during sleep'

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post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And garbage collection.

Lol. Yes and garbage collection. Funnily enough I'm now at the stage where certain German expressions and mannerisms have started to surplant my native British English ones. Germans often have one word for something where in English you need a whole sentence. Somehow these words creep into your vocabulary and merge across the language boundaries.

>Germans often have one word for something where in English you need a whole sentence. //

Something tells me there's a word for that, concision (or brevity or conciseness). But something auf Deutsch would me more trendy and intellectual sounding ...

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